This is the senior school reality.

[Morfin]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-53759662/students-from-georgia-school-district-in-viral-photo-speak-out

I've posted before about how our media post misleading images of SD in schools. This is a fair reflection of what our senior schools will look like . Would you be happy being one of those people in the picture, with no mask?

@knittingaddict

It's because I have a social conscience that I think schools should go back. People have to work, people don't have the space for home education and people don't have the ability. My kids are adults but I did home educate at one point, it's not easy, and we had every advantage in that I could afford to order school supplies, went on trips etc. Not everyone is a sahm or wfh with a flexible employer.

@Minnieok I agree I work in school with Lac/vulnerable children. I also have 4 of my own, they need to go back to education and their routine. I just think staff should be allowed to wear PPE if they want to it. I would also like provision for better cleaning for schools. I'd also like to be informed when a pupil is off pending a test which we are not at present. We are not informed of a positive if not in our bubble. I think we should, as certain children cross bubbles and have contact with the Staff in other bubbles it happens. This doesn't mean I want to school closed.

This is an interesting solution Thailand are trying

www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-thailand-school-safety-measures

@Kitcat122
I suppose some parents will isolate their child when they come home from school and tell parents/guardian who was absent that day from their lessons.

@SengaStrawberry

How many threads about this do there have to be?

Some people don’t want kids back at school fully and are convinced it’s going to kill thousands. We get it. What’s the point or an alternative solution that actually also involves children getting a proper education?

You have been on so many threads where alternative solutions have been suggested. Ffs, even money from the Government to pay for extra cleaning would be a bonus.

@Canigooutyet I talking as a staff member we should be informed.

I bet the photo is a stock one, not this week.

However they should be wearing masks since they're not small kids and the school should be enforcing social distancing.

[quote minnieok]@knittingaddict

It's because I have a social conscience that I think schools should go back. People have to work, people don't have the space for home education and people don't have the ability. My kids are adults but I did home educate at one point, it's not easy, and we had every advantage in that I could afford to order school supplies, went on trips etc. Not everyone is a sahm or wfh with a flexible employer.[/quote]
What about the staff or vulnerable family members? Do they not feature in the social conscious?

It wouldn't bother me at all. Highly unlikely anyone there would have the virus, given current numbers, let alone pass it on whilst moving through a corridor.

Our schools have extra cleaning during the day. The solution which seems to be most favoured is part time school which does not fulfil the “kids getting a proper education” part of the brief.

@Kitcat122
Oh wow, I thought it was just us parents that wouldn't be told.

Hopefully yours is like my last school, far too much gossip and a ht who would tell us all anyway on the understanding it doesn't leave the building. Plus it would be one of us phoning up after a few days to find out how things were going.

@SengaStrawberry

Our schools have extra cleaning during the day. The solution which seems to be most favoured is part time school which does not fulfil the “kids getting a proper education” part of the brief.

My teens suggestion for part time is to have the core subjects taught in school because you need those for well everything. The remainder would be studied out of school because according to him, less help is needed. And with things like History there is google, museums etc.

The schools remain open during normal school hours. When not teaching the core, teachers and support staff to provide care and independent studies for key worker and vulnerable children.

Those who are vulnerable to either work online lessons or create resources for those lessons.

Those not teaching/supervising the vulnerable to also work on resources for online, teach online, copy the resources and tutorials onto DVD's as a lot of home have some type of dvd player. If not these are cheaper than laptops. Most kids have mobiles or access to them, and their written work can be scanned and sent to the teacher for marking.
It could also give those kids who need to catch up time.

And no according to him. anti bac outside classrooms and key points is not an ideal solution as that is only supposed to be used instead of soap and water until you can wash hands or with soap and water as an added thing just in case you don't wash them properly.

His school like other I have worked in will have no extra cleaning because no money,

@Pr1mr0se

I bet the photo is a stock one, not this week.

However they should be wearing masks since they're not small kids and the school should be enforcing social distancing.

It's not a stock picture, it was taken by a student.

@canigooutyet what makes your teen an authority on what subjects need less help? My son is doing Nat 5 chemistry and music for example. Subjects I’ve never done. I can’t help teach him those. Maths and English I could have a stab at. My nephew is doing higher grade design and manufacture. How on earth can that be learned at home?

I don’t think it is a stock picture.

That’s what my school looks like in the corridors

@Canigooutyet yes we do find out through gossip. But I don't think it should be like that. I think ht should inform us. Also in September 2 positives in 14 days bursts the bubble. Which is OK in high school with large bubbles but primary school?

It wouldn't bother me at all. Highly unlikely anyone there would have the virus, given current numbers, let alone pass it on whilst moving through a corridor.

Shortly after that photo was taken the school closed because it had an outbreak.

edition.cnn.com/2020/08/09/us/north-paulding-high-school-covid-19-cases/index.html

It's highly unlikely to be an issue currently in my ds college. My town has had 2 cases in 3 weeks.

But that's one place. Just 1.

What about all those schools and colleges in areas that still have restrictions due to cases? Should we just ignore that reality because it doesn't personally affect us? Or should be fight for the students and teachers in these areas who are more at risk because education is meant to be equal for all?

@Orchidflower1

Ok so the people saying they’re not bothered about catching Covid- imagine for one awful minute that you and you next door neighbour both get it and both need treatment. However there is only space for one of you. You’d obviously be happy for your neighbour to have the spot wouldn’t you 🤔

Why on earth do I need to imagine that scenario? What am I meant to gain from doing so?

@MigGril

#BogrollBOGOF in a normal year those who are vulnerable to flu have a vaccination. Including children like my son and my friends son and as parents we both have it to.

Grandparents can already be protected by having the flu vaccine themselves. Many take it up, judging by the cues each year at my doctors flu clinics.

Also they started vaccinating children at school against flu a while ago now, so all those undern 10 years get offered it free at school every year now. This is a new national programme to follow them through school until all school children are offered the seasonal flu vaccine.

This isn't flu, there is no vaccine. Many more have already died then in a high flu season. Even healthy people have ended up with long term issue from it. I'm younger I may fight it off who knows, I still don't want it if I can avoid it. I have a long term health condition as it is (doesn't make me more vulnerable to covid), I don't need any more problems.

I find this interesting - at the moment, even with masks, social distancing and vaccine available, flu is killing more people, around 3 times more in the 7 weeks between 19/6 and 31/7, yet those deaths are seemingly ok as they are not covid. Very odd.

@SengaStrawberry I have no idea tbh but at least he came up with something. Science btw is a core subject which he loves and pissed off that there will be no practical side of science, so maybe that one can be one of those at home. (his suggestion)

The schools being open would allow for some of those other subjects to still continue subject to whatever criteria they always put in. Staff would still be employed full time.

The "free" half of the day pupil numbers would be reduced as pupils are at home studying independently or in the school halls being supervised by staff, or learning online/dvd which they would all have access to.

I thought I'd included catch up/continuing education in the previous post. Sorry.

Although on what authority? Not like the government have much more experience about the educational system. Seems a better plan of shove them all in, cross fingers and hope for the best.

@BellaintheWychElm or they are false negatives and the deaths are caused by covid.

Oh I find this whole thing odd tbh.

Last year a lot of parents couldn't give a shit about any other child when they sent their ill child into school.

There was no thought about those in the school with health conditions as they dosed up with calpol before sending to school. No thought about anyone else as they ushered their kid through the doors hours after vomiting and crapping lots.

No thought about anyone else when school called home to collect, and too busy with no back up arrangements to collect child. Talking of which from September, the guidelines say when a child is suspected to have CV they have to be left in a room alone, well depending on the age of child. This tells me policy makers are fucking clueless, whether 3 or 15, not allowed to leave pupils unsupervised in classrooms with closed doors.

Why do people have to keep posting patronising tripe like this?

Firstly there are a million threads like this already. We get it ok, lots of you don't want the schools open.

Second, do you think we are all brain dead idiots? As parents we know that lots of schools are overcrowded and that they're going back without social distancing, we aren't thick.

Third, it certainly won't be exactly like that in my child's school or in every school, because our particular school isn't overcrowded, and the school have organised staggered times for literally everything. Which although doesn't make everything perfect, will help avoid scenes like that.

Then, why do people keep going on about the kids all going home and infecting granny? I can only speak for myself but we won't be going infecting granny with anything because once the dc are back at school we will be treading very carefully.

You can complain on mumsnet until you're blue in the face but it won't make the virus go away, it won't stop the schools opening and it won't make the government build hundreds of extra schools, which is what they'd need to do to have social distancing in schools. And even if they did it wouldn't work because children on the whole won't social distance.

We get it ok, lots of you don't want the schools open.

No one is saying this.