People moaning about additional measures in places

[Chaosalways]

Aibu to get annoyed when people moan and complain that businesses have put in additional measures.

For example, our local pool has reopened. No family splash but lane swimming for competent swimmers over 8. Swimming lessons have restarted, but no showers or changing rooms. There's a one way system in and out and socially distanced seating round the pool. Towel dry and out. It was really well organised and as safe as could possibly be.

Cue people moaning on Facebook demanding that the changing rooms open up, saying that they won't be returning, how it's a 'child protection' issue drying off by the pool.

We went to the zoo when it first reopened, lovely day out, but loads of people leaving terrible reviews about (at the time) indoor enclosures being closed.

People moaning that they've got to wear a mask so they won't be able to go to places.

Why can't people just be grateful that places have been able to open and are trying to be safe instead of expecting places to cater to them personally.

My local pub has decided that if you're standing up you have to wear a mask. Apparently the virus can't touch you if you're sitting down. Someone I know who went there recently said that people are taking their masks off when they sit back down after going to the toilet/bar and putting them on the table, which isn't wiped before the next customer sits down.

I haven't seen this myself because the pub has a 'zero tolerance' policy to those not complying, even if you're exempt, which I am, so I can't go. Government guidelines don't require this and not allowing people in because of their disabilities/health conditions seems all kinds of discriminatory to me, but they're adamant.

In cases like this, no, I'm not grateful. Companies who make up unnecessary rules of their own and exclude people who can't comply are probably run by the sorts people who had a go at those buying Easter eggs and hairdye back in March.

We're always banging on about blitz spirit but all I hear is people huffing and puffing

Can we lay to rest this ridiculous notion that everyone was perfectly compliant and jolly during the Blitz?

@ElizabethWoodviIIe

We're always banging on about blitz spirit but all I hear is people huffing and puffing

Can we lay to rest this ridiculous notion that everyone was perfectly compliant and jolly during the Blitz?

I don't disagree about the reality of life in the blitz, but usually the people who go on about the blitz spirit are the ones huffing and puffing now!

@ArchbishopOfBanterbury

I'd be frustrated if no families with children under 8 are allowed to swim. That seems over-cautious. It's easier to keep younger ones close (and socially distant) than older, confident swimmers.

Especially when government keep yelling how kids don't transmit it and schools are safe.

There's no sense to so much if it and the things are are likely higher risk are the things they seem to be pushing as things to do.

Anyone who uses the phrase "babba" in public is clearly a bit of a twit. I do wonder how it's going to work in the winter, though, you can't really walk home wet when it's 5 degrees! I think the changing rooms in our pool are open but only for afterwards, you have to arrive swim-ready and they've closed the lockers.

And how is drying your child off next to the pool a "child protection issue" (I am a club welfare officer) or are they going to strip them off? It would never occur to me to do that I'd just stick a towel round small dc and bundle them in the car.

However, I do agree that some rules are silly like the every other toilet cubicle or restricting library opening hours (I assume the latter is because they don't want to bring staff back off furlough or have them redeployed).

Anyone who uses the phrase "babba" in public is clearly a bit of a twit agree

I'm on the fence about this. I'm pleased businesses can open and I know they're working hard to stay afloat during all of this. I'm supporting my local ones as much as I can as I'd hate to see them close.

However, I agree that some of the "Covid Secure" measures do appear to make no difference, or even make things worse I.e the example of fewer available toilets. What is the logic there other than to save cleaning time?

Ultimately people just want this whole shitshow to be over and I can't blame people for having a moan now and then. You're wierd if you don't hate it all in my view.

I wish people would stop complaining about other people complaining. Bore off.

OP: how long have you lived in Britain & only just noticed that people here like to moan? It's like cultural glue for many. So here you are... moaning about the moaners!

Well tbh @Chaosalways I personally wouldn’t like to have to drive back home is wet swimming costume. Would you???

The rest is a different issue imo.

And as others have pointed out, one big issue is the inconsistency and the lack of logic of some measures.

@latticechaos

But why do people have to moan so angrily about it?

We're always banging on about blitz spirit but all I hear is people huffing and puffing.

I do have a bit of a moan I suppose, at home, but posting angry messages about swimming pools just seems to serve no purpose.

UK is the capital of whinging.

The thing is while some measures seem unnecessary- if they are the industry guidance you have been told to follow by your trade body and the Gvt, then you have to follow them!

A PP mentioned libraries having their hours reduced. The reality is that the covid measures will mean increased staffing (eg extra cleaning, one-way signs,a book quarantine system etc) so this will have to be balanced out somewhere. There is a cost to all these safety measures that many organisations and businesses won’t be able to afford unless they make economies in other areas. Especially given that they do now have a reduced customer base as. It everyone feels comfortable returning. Not everyone really appreciates how challenging and expensive reopening has been for businesses and organisations. They just want things back exactly the way it was for them before.

I don't disagree about the reality of life in the blitz, but usually the people who go on about the blitz spirit are the ones huffing and puffing now!

And who, of course, didn’t live through it (unless they’re 80+)

@latticechaos

I think there's a significant minority in society who are short-sighted, selfish and emotionally incapable of dealing with change or inconvenience.

They get listened to a lot because they moan loudly but they just need telling to shut up imo.

That group have really ruined so many things in society, the (imo) larger group of reasonable people need to band together more.

Re your last paragraph - such as?

OP YABU. People are allowed to moan and:/or vote with their feet and not go places where they don’t like the arrangements, especially where they are paying for it. Some people Will always moan about stupid things you just need to ignore them.

@ElizabethWoodviIIe

We're always banging on about blitz spirit but all I hear is people huffing and puffing

Can we lay to rest this ridiculous notion that everyone was perfectly compliant and jolly during the Blitz?

This. I find it hugely offensive. My grandmother lost her eyelashes and eyebrows due to shock during the blitz. Imagine the level of trauma someone must feel for that to happen to them.

I do find it very irritating too, but I also feel life has become quite complicated for people who don’t have cars right now. My vet is seeing dogs in the boot of the car. My GP is apparently doing baby immunisations in the car park. Need a covid test - off you go in your car or wait forever for a postal service. Leave the leisure centre in your wet cozzie - fine if you have a car outside, but if you walk or get the bus, forget it. I’m fortunate that none of that inconveniences me as I have a car, but I can see how life must get complicated just now if you don’t.

The toilets are my biggest problem
Most places only have a single disabled toilet open if that
I have a radar key due to my disabilities but now there’s a huge queue for the single disabled loo
I’m struggling to leave house on a bad day and may even have to give up the part of my job that involves being out and about

@ilovecherries

Totally agree about cars, going to be a lot more congestion

@JaceLancs

That's really awful. It feels like covid is dragging us back to the 70s in some ways!

@latticechaos

But why do people have to moan so angrily about it?

We're always banging on about blitz spirit but all I hear is people huffing and puffing.

I do have a bit of a moan I suppose, at home, but posting angry messages about swimming pools just seems to serve no purpose.

You do realize the 'Spirit of the Blitz' was propaganda bullshit - understandable and needed (and I supposed justified) but still as real as all those noble Soviet labourers gazing into the bold brave future somewhere in the top left hand corner of the poster.

That's really awful. It feels like covid is dragging us back to the 70s in some ways!

I think you are confusing Covid with Brexit.

Walking home in a wet costume with wet hair is going to be grim in the winter. Any idiot can see that

There are always different perspectives to consider though. Take the ‘fewer toilets’ I manage a youth group which has its own building, we have three toilets, female, male, and unsex / disabled / baby change.

When we reopen (which won’t be for a while) each toilet needs to be cleaned hourly. I don’t have volunteers to clean x3 sets of toilets hourly so only the unisex one will be open. On the face of it, ridiculous, but actually the only practical way we can implement the rules.

The swimming issue does present logistical challenges. My pool has now reopened for lessons and my 4 year old and 15 month old can go back which is great.

That said it won't be easy getting a baby and a young child sorted by the side of the pool. Especially as the baby will need a nappy etc as swimming nappies don't hold wee! I will also need to go in with the baby so will also be wet and in swimwear, it will be a logistical challenge.

The reality is that some of the requirements just aren't practical. My 4 year old has missed swimming so much I'm determined to find a way to make it work but it won't be a fun experience!

Some places are managing to adhere to covid guidelines without making it a shit experience for customers.

The gin bar that did table service vs the coffee shop that wanted us to wear masks until seated.

The coffee shops serving in real cups rather than disposible ones.

The shops that don't have signs up everywhere saying not to touch and people following you about in hi viz jackets. If they want people to not touch, put more signage up about pricing and ingredients.

Shops where you queue once to go in and not a second time to change floors.

Your swimming experience would not do for us. Changing restrictions would not be a bother as I have a car, but people using public transport may struggle?

I couldn't take my ten year old because of the lane swimming, but maybe with feedback, they could do a more inclusive session for small numbers of families at quieter times of the day.