I'm going to Greece on Monday ...still safe?

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I'm going on holiday on Monday to Crete.
Do you think it's still "safe" to go?
I've heard mixed messages about possible lockdowns etc

@PegasusReturns

We are probably more doomed by people making up their own arguments so they can swoop in all holier than thou to admonish people like a bunch of latter day Cromwells

Not at all. It’s the inability of idiots to manage risk appropriately that is the issue. The first stage in doing so is identifying the risk.

Only an idiot would claim it is safer to travel than stay at home and the fact that you use your having been away and are fine as evidence of that position is the very definition of a made up argument

OP I’m pretty risk tolerant - I’ve had two (local ish) hotel stays and a week in rented house with another family but there is no way I’d travel to Greece - or any other country on the cusp of a second wave - and I’m healthy with no issues about work if I needed to quarantine

Perhaps you can quote the bit where I said travelling was safer than staying at home?

You won't be able to though, because I said no such thing. What I actually said was Crete was probably safer than here.

But you carry on with your sanctimonious attitude and name calling like that makes you the better person.

@Pertella

Travelling can not be safer than not travelling!

Well, as I've literally just done it, I'll go with what I know rather than what you think, ta.

You implied it in your response to me earlier in the thread, @Pertella

Great, so you agree that I didn't actually say it

Thanks for clearing that up

How's she going to get to Crete without travelling, then?

She will have to travel obviously but i was clear in that i was only talking about Crete itself. Everyone else decided to add getting there onto my statement.

Jeez...

@Pertella

Great, so you agree that I didn't actually say it

Thanks for clearing that up

If I'm honest, after I'd posted 'implied' I thought that understated it!

You seem very aggressive, maybe you need another holiday?

Any overseas travel during a global pandemic carries a risk of cancellation, last minute changes and quarantine at short notice.

You may want to consider this before booking:

metro.co.uk/2020/08/10/greece-bars-shutting-early-stop-virus-spreading-13111622/

It will include restaurant closures as well. So maybe pack a portable stove, a travel kettle and some ready made sachets of dried soup.

Has she declared to travel insurance? What did they say?

She may be head strong but usually insurance becomes the sticking point.

You seem very aggressive, maybe you need another holiday?

Only towards passive aggressive posters and the name callers.

This was a perfectly civil discussion till yer fella up there came wading in with the sanctimonious attitude and insults. That's what makes discussion on hete so difficult

The Greek Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a Level 3 Travel Health Notice for Greece due to COVID-19 this week, and cases are rising, second wave appears to be starting there.

Greek hospitals cannot cope with a major outbreak. It's why they shut down the country hard early.

I wouldn't want to be there if they go into lockdown again.

'Still safe' is an interesting phrase. Greeks living in Greece might be (or were) relatively safe. But... and this is the crucial bit... travelling raises your personal risk by a whole awful lot. Your exposure to people outside your household and to relatively unsafe situations (planes, airport terminals, hotel lobbies, etc) will increase. The people you will be mixing with on the planes are people who are also taking more risks and being more widely exposed.

Obviously it's not a good idea to travel right now, particularly not with a vulnerable family member. Yes, you should cancel. Your MIL's insurance must have cost more than the accommodation! Most travel insurance bought now does not cover Covid.

Anyway, you seem set on going, so all the best.

I would check she has declared the medical condition to insurance, otherwise no cover and potentially big liability.

I'm not going to get into the whole who thinks what and who's wrong. It's boring now. People will do what they will do. But I will add a practical point. Have you declared the COPD for travel insurance purposes? Because no insurer I know of will currently touch insuring someone with underlying conditions which make them highly vulnerable to COVID. And invalid insurance means for everything, not just if you get sick. A condition of insurance contracts is that you fully disclose and tell the truth.

Obviously going anywhere is more risky. But it sounds like you are determined to leave the country despite the pandemic.

If you are happy to be turned away, be locked down in Greece, sick in a Greek hospital and quarantining when home, I guess no one can stop you!

Flying straight after coming out of shielding is bonkers in my opinion. Is a foreign holiday really so vital?

@Friendsoftheearth

Your boyfriends' mother ha COPD and you are taking her on a plane and overseas?!!! No wonder she has anxiety issues, she would be at massive risk if she caught covid!!!!!!!!

Seriously book a quiet hotel a few hours from home, keep away from everyone else and be sensible.

Your bf's mother has been shielding because she is AT RISK and she may very well need a change of scene, but taking her through a germ riddled airport, on a plane with zero social distancing with hundreds of strangers and then to holiday destination with very limited healthcare is utterly insane!!!

Jesus christ.

Has the OP said anywhere that the mum isn’t an adult of full mental capacity able to make her own decisions about what she considers and acceptable level of risk?

Why would OP and the BF be “taking her” anywhere? It’s her choice. People are actually allowed to make their own choices, even unwise ones.

senga The op actually stated 'they were taking' her, that did not suggest to me that she was particularly well or able to go on her own. Otherwise maybe she would have said my boyfriend's mother will also be joining us. I get the impression that the mother is dependent on the op and her boyfriend going, not that she is a strong, healthy and capable woman able to travel there alone. The op alludes to some dependency. It could be a writing style - but look at the pp.

I am not sure why the mother isn't just going on her own if she is well enough to travel, she is 61 so perfectly capable of booking her own holiday and going by herself.

Op has said she would prefer to go to the lakes, so I think she should go to the lakes and MIL should take herself to Greece if she is 'headstrong' and wants to go. For the record, I would not be going with her - no way would I be interested in being locked down in Greece, with someone with COPD and my idea of hell is a holiday with MIL!!!

So it is a no way from me, on every level!

I'm another querying whether the MIL has adequate insurance.

Why did MIL bother shielding at all if she is willing to risk death just to go to Crete for a week or 2?

I can't believe covid will be covered by her insurance so I hope she has lots of savings to cover any hospital stays

Quite! Bacon

Just check what else she is liable for if she hasn’t declared. If delaying the plane due to illness etc

Very unlikely of course but insurance covers very high amounts for that reason, and medical repatriation

My work colleague is in greece now

Ironically she has posted non stop about covid, called everyone idiots and posted daily death figures on facebook for months but has gone on holiday...