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Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 14

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BigChocFrenzy · 05/08/2020 14:48

Welcome to thread 14 of the daily updates

Resource links:

Uk dashboard deaths, cases, hospitals, tests - 4 nations, LAs, English regions
Slides & data UK govt pressers
[[https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavi
rus-covid-19-information-for-the-public UK stats]] list of reports added daily by PHE & DHSC
PHE Surveillance report infections & deaths released every Thursday with sep. infographic
ONS England infection surveillance report ONS UK statistics for CV related deaths, released weekly each Tuesday
Daily ECDC report UK & EEA
Worldometer UK page
Plot FT graphs compare countries deaths, cases, raw / million pop
Covidly.com world summary & graphs
Plot COVID Graphs Our World in Data additional data

We welcome factual, data driven, and civil discussions from all contributors 📈 📉 📊 👍

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PatriciaHolm · 08/08/2020 13:00

@MRex

Hackney cases have dropped this week. Could it be that they were connected to the big illegal rave, and therefore "known" transmission?

I tried looking up any other local outbreaks and found this spectacularly shit idea. Please note the next big outbreak location, a fucking over-65s choir: www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/hackney-social-club-reopens-for-summer-1-6783429. What area that thinking????

Unless Covid has mutated to cross via Zoom, they'll be fine ;-) it's all online!

And the data from the last 3 days or so won't be complete yet -my running 7 days average was only until 4th, there is no point looking at later data yet, to be honest.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/08/2020 13:01

@itsgettingweird

But there were a few deaths of infants. Just doesn't show up on graph.
... The Uk gov table shows 9 deaths in age group 0-4
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NeurotrashWarrior · 08/08/2020 13:01

Thanks cant. I imagine that will be due to differences in demographics including weighing up impact on children if vulnerable.

With local measures, where do people who were classed as cv or ecv stand?

For example, if schools went to 50% on rotas to keep some level of schooling going, would vulnerable staff still have to go in?

I think that's where places like Phlebs setting need clear rules, (from what you've said in the past.)

MRex · 08/08/2020 13:02

It isn't all online sadly, if you scroll down; "Laura plans to have a mix of online and face-to-face events in the future as lockdown eases."

PatriciaHolm · 08/08/2020 13:06

Well yes, but that's future plans - it could be anything!

They certainly aren't planning any mass in-person choir events any time soon.

Harencha · 08/08/2020 13:44

Middlesbrough Cluster causes increase in testing. One to watch, numbers likely to go up due to testing increase?

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/new-coronavirus-test-centre-opens-18738270

Piggywaspushed · 08/08/2020 13:48

I am one of the very few who hasn't zoom attended my choir since March. All the older members have iPads and all sorts for the endless zooming, and downloading of MP3s. I am the only one with a laptop which blocks zoom and a phone with no storage!

IrenetheQuaint · 08/08/2020 13:50

I loathe Zoom choir, it is a profoundly unmusical experience (but I realise useful for community reasons).

PatriciaHolm · 08/08/2020 14:19

15 Hospital NHS deaths announced today, although 9 are from July - quite some backdating. Same yesterday - 5/10 were from July.

itsgettingweird · 08/08/2020 14:27

Neuro exactly the same as my situation. We had a child off with cough and temp. Sent in next day as mum said it's a cold. I then came down with what was very typical Covid on was ill for weeks.
Then we find out she hasn't gone to other parent weekend before because they'd had suspected Covid 🤦🏼‍♀️

We've always said the issue with have with send schools is so many parents see us as respite and not education. And for many school day is respite for parents. And having their children home is hard work.

But we have to be really on it with this and we really need parents to work with schools (not just send) so keep outbreaks at bay.

Even more so now government have said any staff death due to Covid could have school investigated and found liable.

Schools are being thrown completely under the bus.

And all that makes me wonder is what Cummings has planned for education in future! (I appreciate that's not data and that's just personal opinion!)

boys3 · 08/08/2020 14:31

[quote Firefliess]**@already* - I think you're getting cause and effect back to front in interpreting @boys2's graph - the places she's showing on the blue line were only placed on the watch list quite recently (most of them at least) So the fact that rates are going up in these areas whilst other areas flatline or fall is the reason* they are on the watchlist, not the result of being in it.

What strikes me about your chart though @boys2 is that the watchlist and non-watchlist LAs were very much in sync during June - falling at the same rate. Then at the start of July something changed in some areas causing cases to rise and them to be put on the watchlist. Could be pubs, some workplaces, places of worship (all opened start of July) or a cultural failure to go on with social distancing. But whatever they are doing wrong recently in those places is new - they weren't doing it during June. [/quote]
@alreadytaken @Firefliess

I think my graph has some design flaws a harsher view might say several. Simplistically I was looking to see if I could get a clearer picture of the uplift in the seven day rolling average.

I started back in third week June to track the steady fall over into July and then compare with the uplift since. The current watch list LAs are simple to group, but I recognise potentially misleading, although I'd argue the bigger one are relevant throughout.

Have added the all England line might have been helpful to include that originally

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wintertravel1980 · 08/08/2020 14:48

Hackney cases have dropped this week. Could it be that they were connected to the big illegal rave, and therefore "known" transmission?

Based on what was reported in July, it looks like a "known" transmission within several households in Stamford Hill.

www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-cases-shoot-up-in-hackney-1-6755977

It is not impossible that the extended testing is now picking up historic cases from the outbreak earlier during the year. Stamford Hill's Jewish community was hit hard in April-May.

whatsnext2 · 08/08/2020 15:01

I understand that the Nightingale hospitals are being taken down from a local contractor. Anecdotal I know but can’t find anything in the press.

alreadytaken · 08/08/2020 15:03

I was looking at the last week or so, where the growth in infection in non locked down areas is reversed, while lockdowned areas only level off. Although masks became compulsory slightly early than that there would be a time lag since infections dont show up immediately. So perhaps what it is showing is that masks work.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 08/08/2020 15:10

@itsgettingweird

Neuro exactly the same as my situation. We had a child off with cough and temp. Sent in next day as mum said it's a cold. I then came down with what was very typical Covid on was ill for weeks. Then we find out she hasn't gone to other parent weekend before because they'd had suspected Covid 🤦🏼‍♀️

We've always said the issue with have with send schools is so many parents see us as respite and not education. And for many school day is respite for parents. And having their children home is hard work.

But we have to be really on it with this and we really need parents to work with schools (not just send) so keep outbreaks at bay.

Even more so now government have said any staff death due to Covid could have school investigated and found liable.

Schools are being thrown completely under the bus.

And all that makes me wonder is what Cummings has planned for education in future! (I appreciate that's not data and that's just personal opinion!)

Who would be responsible if it was sourced to school? The head, Governors or Local Authority?

I agree some parents will send in regardless and many have abounded SD etc as see no point now the children will be mixing at school anyway.

wintertravel1980 · 08/08/2020 15:11

So perhaps what it is showing is that masks work.

I hope so but, unfortunately, another explanation is that the temperature has risen so people are less likely to spend time indoors.

The "spike" in cases happened after a couple of weeks of cool weather (at least in London and South East).

PatriciaHolm · 08/08/2020 15:28

758 cases today; was 771 last Saturday. Tests remaining high so 7 day rolling positive level stable.

Dashboard not updated yet so can't see local levels yet.

JulyBreeze · 08/08/2020 15:31

@whatsnext2 here we are, if you're referring to the Birmingham one anyway:

www.conference-news.co.uk/coronavirus-updates-news/nec-confirms-full-reopening-nhs-nightingale-being-decommissioned

I thought something was said a couple of weeks ago about them being on standby for the winter or possibly being used to free up normal hospitals?

whatsnext2 · 08/08/2020 15:35

[quote JulyBreeze]@whatsnext2 here we are, if you're referring to the Birmingham one anyway:

www.conference-news.co.uk/coronavirus-updates-news/nec-confirms-full-reopening-nhs-nightingale-being-decommissioned

I thought something was said a couple of weeks ago about them being on standby for the winter or possibly being used to free up normal hospitals?[/quote]
I thought they were on standby for winter too, which is why I’m concerned.

It’s all of them i gather.

JulyBreeze · 08/08/2020 15:49

Yes, here we are:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-second-spike-coronavirus-cases-winter-nightingale-hospitals-565879/amp

Niall Dickson of the NHS Confederation:

"He said the seven Nightingale hospitals, which have been standing empty since the peak of the crisis, were available to be used either as a specialist coronavirus facility or to treat patients displaced from regular hospitals. Ministers have already asked the Ministry of Defence to prepare for a possible quadruple crisis over winter with disruption from the virus, seasonal flu, flooding and the end of the Brexit transition period."

What's going on then??

ChristmasinJune · 08/08/2020 15:58

@JulyBreeze

Yes, here we are: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-second-spike-coronavirus-cases-winter-nightingale-hospitals-565879/amp

Niall Dickson of the NHS Confederation:

"He said the seven Nightingale hospitals, which have been standing empty since the peak of the crisis, were available to be used either as a specialist coronavirus facility or to treat patients displaced from regular hospitals. Ministers have already asked the Ministry of Defence to prepare for a possible quadruple crisis over winter with disruption from the virus, seasonal flu, flooding and the end of the Brexit transition period."

What's going on then??

Preparing for them doesn't automatically mean that the worst case scenario is going to happen. Just that any or all of those things could cause a problem so we need to be prepared. I think we all accept that this winter could be tough so it's good that they're doing their best to prepare.
whatsnext2 · 08/08/2020 16:09

@ChristmasinJune
No the point is they are all being decommissioned..

The opposite of being prepared.

MarcelineMissouri · 08/08/2020 16:11

Sweden. Can I ask for peoples views on what’s going on there? I was reading this article from a Swedish dr in Stockholm saying life is pretty much back to normal for them, cases are low, hospital admissions and deaths virtually nothing now.....

sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/

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meercat23 · 08/08/2020 16:22

I am sorry if this is a stupid question with an obvious answer but the government site is showing 55 deaths for today while the Worldometers site is showing 98. Where do the additional deaths come from?

PatriciaHolm · 08/08/2020 16:29

@meercat23

I am sorry if this is a stupid question with an obvious answer but the government site is showing 55 deaths for today while the Worldometers site is showing 98. Where do the additional deaths come from?
They are from different days - 55 was the number announced yesterday, 98 was Thursday.

And both are way too high ATM as they include the PHE "all deaths of people who have ever had a Covid+ test". Running average is more realistically below 20.