Local schools having to shut, unfair disadvantage later on in exams

[Cherryghost]

How would this work in the case of schools in hotspot areas shut for a few months but the rest of schools open and then the effect of exams later on in the year?
How on earth are allowances going to be made?

With the bubble thing, surely if 2 are tested positive in a secondary, it will shut a big chunk of it down? Many teachers teach over different year groups, even year group pupils mix because of the different sets.

One teacher alone from his school could take out classes from every single year.

@Chaotic45 @canigooutyet

No, I know it isn't the answer for this situation, is kind of a derail, just that many kids can learn from books.

I don't for one second discount the problem of trying to work whilst helping your kids, as I am in this position.

@MarshaBradyo

Sleeping and does it say the school must provide anything in those two weeks? Or up to the school or really just closed, no provision.

We've not been told, they were pretty good over lockdown, less so once the kids went back (reception year but mines a shielder so couldn't go back) so I think they will set work. It was an offline using a system called Purple Mash so teacher would just need to load it with activities each day

many children do learn a huge amount from books, at home, by working things through with a supportive adult, when home schooled agree, but even as sahp of what will be a yr1 kid, with 8 month old twins it isn't that easy, and I'm not trying to hold down a job or home school complex work

72% of children live in poverty even though someone works.
44% in single parent homes.

One local secondary school, has 1200 pupils 60% of pupils are on fsm.

It roughly works out that 9 kids of a class of 30 were already disadvantaged before CV across the country.

Source of figures, does help if I post this lol

cpag.org.uk/child-poverty/child-poverty-facts-and-figures

Valenciaoranges - your school may well have done that but many Scottish schools tried to inflate the numbers getting higher grades by more than 20%.

@labyrinthloafer thanks for clarifying. I agree books are a great way to learn some things, and there are so many videos available now also (although for a non professional it's hard to find which ones are the best without trawling through hours of coverage).

Others are harder to grasp IMO.

I have a very bright 13 yo DS, but finding the right material for him in the absence of anything substantial from school was very tricky. In hindsight I wished I'd just let him loose in bite size and ignored that patchy school provision.

@canigooutyet 72% of children do not live in poverty. Read your source material again.

@seasonfinale - just curious how you know that Scottish schools did that? Can you add a link if possible? I’m in England btw, so am very interested in how things have turned out in Scotland.

[quote Porcupineinwaiting]@canigooutyet 72% of children do not live in poverty. Read your source material again.[/quote]
Work does not provide a guaranteed route out of poverty in the UK. 72 per cent of children growing up in poverty live in a household where at least one person works.

Households Below Average Income, Statistics on the number and percentage of people living in low income households for financial years 1994/95 to 2018/19, Table 4.3db. Department for Work and Pensions, 2020

72% of children live in poverty even though someone works.
72 per cent of children growing up in poverty live in a household where at least one person works.
Tbf they don't read as the same thing, I read your first one @Porcupineinwaiting same as @canigooutyet did

cpag.org.uk/

They word it slightly different on this page which was the first one I looked at

72%
of children growing up in poverty live in working families

@mosquitofeast sorry bit your talking rubbish how can a child learn all at home things they havent been taught in the subject yet for starters , if ot was so easy to miss all school why are holidays in school time a problem as the kids can just keep up and reCh themselves , in fact why do we even need school if the can all do it at home
Also you have no idea what factors will be taken with the exams as it hasn't been announced yet

@mosquito I really hope your not a teacher ? My year 10 soon to be year 11 does not cope so well with home learning and fairs much better at school. He hasn't covered all the content yet for his subjects due to missing weeks of school in year 10. He cant just teach himself all this from a text book as that is not how he learns. If he is in and out of school next year it will affect him massively . He is already quite worried and stressed about exams and catching back up , to say several potential lockdowns wont affect him his ludicrous. Also re : homelessness of course this is bad , so is food poverty and starvation , so is inequality but this isn't what the op is discussing

Even if any factors have been taken into account, this year should have been an eye opener about education for many.

Schools can close with little notice. As soon as a few too many staff are off, classes/years/school will have to close.

There's not a room full of staff sitting somewhere twiddling their thumbs waiting for a call. Notice the silence from ex staff about wanting to go back? Remember at the beginning ex nhs were volunteering to help out. THis should give some people an idea about schools during normal times.

Exams can be cancelled or altered at the last minute. This time last year, many 15/16 year olds were thinking about this years exams. Some would have been doing various studying in their own time for this. THey would have even gone and sat mocks in November/December iirc.

Parts of gcse's can be scrapped at the click of a finger. No more of the practical side of subjects I believe? Changes to the Geography exam because of the visit side.

If children weren't disadvantaged when they miss education, then where they are off because of health, it shouldn't really make a difference in their education. For many however, their end results are impacted.

If we didn't need the support of educators, then we wouldn't be in contact with them when we as adults do various home distance learning with places like the OU. Some of course don't, a lot do especially when like in school, it's all new.

It would be lovely to think that schools won't close. Have a look at schools around the world. They opened and then they closed again. The camp in Georgia. Beijing,

It's not just the gcse years that are also facing disadvantage. Over 40 million preschoolers have missed vital learning according to the UN.

International education donors, including the World Bank, Education Cannot Wait, and the Global Partnership for Education - and donor governments such as those of the United Kingdom, United States, Canada, and France and other European Union countries - should use their leverage, especially when providing new funding, to secure commitments now that countries will take these steps.

This was suggested by Zama Neff children's rights director at Human Rights Watch.

www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/schools-reopen-children-missing-200608122920732.html

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@mosquitofeast sorry bit your talking rubbish how can a child learn all at home things they havent been taught in the subject yet for starters , if ot was so easy to miss all school why are holidays in school time a problem as the kids can just keep up and reCh themselves , in fact why do we even need school if the can all do it at home
Also you have no idea what factors will be taken with the exams as it hasn't been announced yet [/quote]
Because children who get taken out for holiday during term time go on holiday. They don't do school work.

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@mosquito I really hope your not a teacher ? My year 10 soon to be year 11 does not cope so well with home learning and fairs much better at school. He hasn't covered all the content yet for his subjects due to missing weeks of school in year 10. He cant just teach himself all this from a text book as that is not how he learns. If he is in and out of school next year it will affect him massively . He is already quite worried and stressed about exams and catching back up , to say several potential lockdowns wont affect him his ludicrous. Also re : homelessness of course this is bad , so is food poverty and starvation , so is inequality but this isn't what the op is discussing [/quote]
"That's not how he learns"

what nonsense.

That 's not how he chooses to learn.

He's better choose to learn that way, pretty quickly or he won't get any exams, whether the school site is open or closed.

The school could apply for mitigating circumstances for the students if they are forced to miss more school due to local lockdowns.

I think maybe @mosquitofeast has a fairly unique way of looking at things and it's perhaps best to just accept that and move on, rather than poke the poster iykwim.

Keepdistance

"Certainly couldnt have done that with maths."

Yes you can these days. There are so many online maths teaching website. I think maths is one of the easiest subject to learn without proper teacher, because there is no ambiguity in answers.

@OverTheRainbow88

The school could apply for mitigating circumstances for the students if they are forced to miss more school due to local lockdowns.

no they couldn't

Mosquito obviously has a model Victorian pupil on her hands. All and ready to go with chalk and slate in hand.

No room for thought and debate with peers. No socialisation.

Just yes or no answers from google

@whenwillthemadnessend

Mosquito obviously has a model Victorian pupil on her hands. All and ready to go with chalk and slate in hand.

No room for thought and debate with peers. No socialisation.

Just yes or no answers from google

I have taught literally tens of thousands of teenagers.

If they don't work independently at home, they will get nothing.

Teachers are for guidance, support, outlining, examples, explanations, etc, all of which can be done just as effectively online, or from a text book.

There are a lot of students looking for excuses, rather than prepared to work, but that is no different from any school year ever.