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Kids wearing face masks to school

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itsgettingweird · 04/08/2020 11:03

I work in a school and current guidance is staff and children do not need face masks except in situations you'd usually use PPE or signs of illness.

I've recently - like many - being spreading my wings and getting out and about more.

I've noticed that so it's children of all ages (even as young as 4/5) who seem to tolerate masks the best.

In town they seem to keep them on all the time and don't seem bothered. It's the adults who pull them to the chin or relive and hang off their wrist when out in Main Street.

I just think we are underestimating our children and it's just something they would adapt to and would reduce risks more and worth advising staff and kids wear even if it isn't compulsory?

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BogRollBOGOF · 04/08/2020 18:23

DS1 has autism and dyspraxia. He had to wear a face covering for a medical appointment last week. I was actually surprised that he gave it a try as we gave up on the trauma of wearing trousers years ago. Good luck to any teacher trying to teach him with a buff pulled over his entire face. Then he was pulling it around, peeping through it, hands all over it. Absolutely pointless from any hygiene point of view.

There is no way that he can hygienically manage face covering in a classroom and not be a fidgety distraction to others.

He has reasonable exemptions to not wear one. But as a child who can generally mask as neurotypical and whose recent diagnosis is not widely known, how does teacher explain that he has a reasonable exemption and the rest have to suck it up.

How does he communicate with his classmates when he can't manually process their expressions and non-verbal communication that most people would take for granted anyway. Plus the verbal processing of muffled speech. Plus the eye contact issue where he can't focus on any other part of the face to mitigate the fact that he can only cope with eye contact from very few trusted people.

Basically pretty much every class has children like DS who are exempt and are massively, massively disadvantaged by other people having to wear them, on top of home learning having been a faliure because of their SNs. Remember SNs are no reflection on intelligence either.

Thank goodness that I no longer teach and will not have to face a room of masked teenagers. Covered faces for a significant minority will be a liscence for concealed disruption. Whispering or with minimal visible facial movement would be very difficult to manage and deal with. At least flinging masks for the "Ewww!" factor is a bit easier to pin down.

Plus there's the process of matching names to faces which takes time anyway. In my foundation subject, at KS3 I saw pupils for far less time in one school year than a primary teacher sees their class in a fortnight. Trying to recognise 15+ classes of pupils in identical clothes with half the face covered would be a logistical nightmare for teachers trying to learn names and get to know pupils.

Then there's the communication/ speech/ hearing difficulties.
Children dealing with steamed up glasses.

Not all pupils will be happy to return to classrooms after nearly 6 months. Many will have had very few boundaries in that time. Many had low motivation to learn in the the first place. This section of the cohort will relish the extra opportunities to liven up a lesson with concealed disruption to the detriment of everyone else.

The evidence of masks being protective in a classroom environment is poor and massively outweighed by the catalogue of obstructions to learning that they will cause to vast numbers of children.

sunseekin · 04/08/2020 18:24

@Rhianna1980

It’s like usual the vocal minority who complain and have the loudest voice. In my local area, everyone including young kids have a mask on whilst shopping with parents. No one forced them to, but are happy to do so.
My three year old is fine with them, had to work on OH more but we are all onboard now - wear them when things are busy including outdoors.
Keepdistance · 04/08/2020 18:43

I think it would be beneficial for kids with adhd say because they are likely at higher risk of catching it if it is in the environment so even if they cannot wear one themself at least there is less around for hands to pick up
Also until they get to the spit tests for school children im sure many kids may nit like the swab particularly and it would be even harder with SEN.
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itsgettingweird · 04/08/2020 19:07

My ds has asd. He struggles with a mask. He tries. But odd child not wearing one is better than no one if the science about areosol transmission necessitating them in public is true.

What I don't buy is school is a different environment COVID wise than others.

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Daisychains20 · 04/08/2020 19:30

A discussion between parents at my child’s school about the masks was brought up recently and the majority said they would not be happy for their kids to wear a mask for school. Many different reasons from they are not used properly to children need to be children and be able to communicate etc. Some parents said they would take their children out of school if they had to wear a mask and I agreed with them if this happens I will be removing my child.

MoreW1ne · 04/08/2020 19:36

@Daisychains20

A discussion between parents at my child’s school about the masks was brought up recently and the majority said they would not be happy for their kids to wear a mask for school. Many different reasons from they are not used properly to children need to be children and be able to communicate etc. Some parents said they would take their children out of school if they had to wear a mask and I agreed with them if this happens I will be removing my child.
That will certainly improve class numbers and the safety for all. Grin
Daisychains20 · 04/08/2020 19:37

@MoreW1neGrin

klippya · 04/08/2020 21:46

What I don't buy is school is a different environment COVID wise than others

Really? My 4yr old starts school in September and the thought of her and her classmates wearing masks all day is incredibly depressing. Interactions between young children (and with their teachers) are completely different than between adult colleagues.

thewisp · 04/08/2020 21:53

At first I was worried about children being scared by masks but since they've become more common and worn by most, I really don't think children would bat an eyelid. We got our toddler one so she can get used to it and she's fine with it.

Even if it only makes things a bit safer for staff and the other students, I don't know why you wouldn't.

Maybe some kids will wear them of their own accord, which will help start a trend.

I do think that things move so fast with this situation. The thought of teachers in masks sounded awful initially but that was many months ago and things move on. We all have to get used to things being a bit weird for a while.

jblue2018 · 04/08/2020 22:46

@klippya I teach year 1 and I agree. I wouldn’t want them wearing masks or for myself either. If we are going back to school properly (as I believe we absolutely should) then for teaching and learning purposes children need to see a teachers face and vice versa. So much important language development, social skills, early reading is developed in the early year - and phonics would be so difficult with masks ! It literally depends on making different mouth shapes for different sounds . Plus most of them would fiddle, pull them, flick them at others constantly 🙈🙈

RaggieDolls · 05/08/2020 07:37

It wouldn't bother me at all if my yr4 was asked to wear one. She wears one when in a shop and uses it correctly and doesn't fiddle with it.

My yr2 is more of a worry but I'm sure I could teach him not to fiddle. Now sure how he'd get on putting it on and off himself but again, I could teach him.

itsgettingweird · 05/08/2020 09:48

@klippya

What I don't buy is school is a different environment COVID wise than others

Really? My 4yr old starts school in September and the thought of her and her classmates wearing masks all day is incredibly depressing. Interactions between young children (and with their teachers) are completely different than between adult colleagues.

Just because the interactions will be different , and yes, hard possibly for our children to get use to doesn't mean that there is a COVID shield around the outside of schools stopping it getting it.

COVID wise it isn't a different environment.

Occupancy wise it's the biggest space kid wise

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sunrainwind · 05/08/2020 09:51

My 4 year old will happily wear one. She likes sticking her tongue out and licking it so it's really wet within about 10 mins, don't think that makes it very effective!

Whereas mine will wear one for short periods, it wouldn't work for either at school for 6 hours a day. One wouldn't understand people properly without seeing their lips and the other would be fiddling with her licked mask!

StrangeAddiction · 05/08/2020 09:58

Ds2 (10) is insisting he will be wearing his mask at school even if they tell him he can't! I took him for a much needed haircut a couple of weeks ago and he wore his mask and gloves, completely unprompted by anyone.

Dd (12) isn't so keen. She has mentioned she'll wear one if she was to go to the shop before schoolbut when I said for her to wear it on the school grounds where parents will be she gave me this look Hmm. Most kids round this way don't wear a mask - if probably say not even 1% wear them so she probably thinks she'd look uncool.

Dorual · 05/08/2020 10:17

Children touch their faces with or without a mask. At least with a mask there'd be less nose picking, finger sucking and messy sneezes.

itsgettingweird · 05/08/2020 11:17

Very mixed opinions and definitely arguments for and against.

I can see both and would like more research and public health consideration on this.

I actually don't think they need them for 6 hours. Play times and lunchtimes etc not required.

Sat at desks SD and working - not needed.

I would suggest coats etc are for 2/3 kids at a time.

I just wonder if coming into school and times they are moving around close it would help. I hope more is done to research the benefits (or lack of benefits!) to give a more informed choice perhaps to parents.

I also think there should be more of an element of choice - as in guidance should clearly state staff and pupils may choose to wear a face mask.

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mumsneedwine · 05/08/2020 11:35

@itsgettingweird there will be no SD in schools. Kids will be packed into classrooms as usual. Most windows open a few inches and so little ventilation. The virus will be in heaven. It's a virus, it doesn't know if the nose belongs to a 14 year old or a 58 year old. It will enter and hang around for a bit, either replicating or leaving the nose at a later time. Maybe for the teacher to breathe in or a family member. Or another student on the bus. The virus is transmitted by everyone. That seems common sense to me - it doesn't look at a teenager and go 'oh no I don't go there'. Schools opening is going to mirror Israel. And be a health disaster. And kids might not die but they do get v v ill and it can leave them with life long health issues. Might be rarer with kids, but that's not much consolation if it's your kid.

itsgettingweird · 05/08/2020 12:02

Yeah I work in school. This is why it's of interest to me.

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ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 05/08/2020 12:44

@itsgettingweird

I appreciate you being very rightfully concerned and hope the English reopening of schools are safe and does not repeat like the care homes disaster. However unless all mitigation measures are operationally optimised as the very young children are of course not easy to manage in this regard having for instance been taught to hold hands in a quiet line etc only earlier this year pre pandemic etc.

I doubt schools have Covid required infrastructure, physical outdoor (weather impacted) space let alone indoor space nor human resourcing to limit class sizes. Therefore is there any alternative but to be absolutely strict and draconian on all Covid smart mitigation measures for all (adults staff and visitors and of course children together for hours daily) as this may help to avoid repeat and disruptive closures because of transmission and at the worst case fatalities!

I also believe children should be attending their local schools only where it is possible to walk (masked) without need to collect and spread tag team style invisible viruses and germs on hop on hop off shared mass transit public transportation to ensure good transmission within the school community too. This is the weak link between home bubble and the enlarged whole school bubble. Very anti R rate. Mass public transportation is a proven vector for transmission as indeed care homes. We all want the traditional in person schools to educate. Health and safety education would make a good starting point to instil Covid survival knowledge on young minds even if their parents are Covidiots or just like herd immunity and unknown long term organ damage or worst.

These are potentially second and further waves times and it would be ideal for people wanting schools to operate as safe as possible to take note and play the game nicely and not be difficult or mine's special and so entitled me-ism and can't do this or that. Perhaps if this is you ie the only anti Covid mitigation measures parent then possibly continue home school until the virus is beaten as you and your child (grandparents) may get infected otherwise. Is there any alternative option??? Not having a go but there are tangible health risks and if 60k plus UK Covid fatalities is not something that concerns you then I am guessing you know for sure that there will be a magical medical cure just like there is a "world class" mass compulsory daily repeat test, trace trace and isolate system.

SunshineCake · 06/08/2020 15:49

In the shop yesterday everyone had them on correctly except one couple who were protecting their chins with them Hmm.

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