Israeli School Case Study

[ClimbDad]

Detailed analysis of an outbreak at an Israeli school after students were given permission not to wear masks due to heat. Interesting information on transmission within the school, infection rate among students and teachers, and infection among 10-19 year olds in the wider population.

Children in other countries seem able to do this. I believe masks in schools will help reduce transmission. What do you think?

www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.29.2001352#html_fulltext

Why are you so obsessed with schools, ClimbDad?

I am not rubbishing your links, but just interested in why you continue to start threads, rather than contributing to existing ones,

You have an agenda, but I’m not entirely sure what it is.

Interesting study. I've only skim read but it clearly shows the impact of no masks on the spread. Was this the worst outbreak at a school in Israel? Their class sizes are similar to our state secondaries.

Didnt you post about this last week Climbdad? And then flounce off your own thread threatening to never return to MN when people disagreed with you?

Is the idea to mobilise the mumsnet masses to campaign for masks in schools? What is it you want people to do?

It also shows for all of that there was one hospitalised

Yawn

@Sunshinegirl82

Is the idea to mobilise the mumsnet masses to campaign for masks in schools? What is it you want people to do?

Yes, it would help knowing exactly what ClimbDad’s agenda is

Why do you not add this to your other school thread? Or the other one about the children being ill? Are you very anxious, just wondering why start all these separate Threads of Doom

I am wondering if Climbdad owns some sort of mask manufacturing business? I hope he didnt steal the idea for masks for cats from the other thread... is there time still to patent that?

Yes 1 hospitalised is probably about what you would expect out of 150 odd students and 26 staff who tested positive. The length of recovery time plus the disruption involved is what concerns me. It seems air conditioning plus lack of masks removed for a number of days contributed as well as desk spaced closer than 1.5 metres. We've already been told windows will be open all day every day!

Most of his threads are about schools and children so I am wondering if maybe Climbdad is someone from schools unions perhaps? Not sure.

OP - is this your hobby? Posting links to COVID news or research papers on MN so that we can all worry ourselves shitless ... I've seen at least three posts from you today all quoting various things about masks.

Do you not get bored of starting all these school threads?

Now why would someone have a vested interest in spreading doom and gloom (but never anything positive) about schools and children’s risk in particular? On a parenting site frequented by parents?

Gosh I can’t even imagine? Any ideas?

Is the idea to mobilise the mumsnet masses to campaign for masks in schools? What is it you want people to do?

If that’s the case, I’d 100% support it. But the OP needs to plays it straight and abandon all this counterproductive and unhelpful scare mongering.

What do you think?

I think you should take feedback on board from your previous threads

actually @mrshoho I read it wrong - one went to the Emergency Room but was not hopsitalised

Yes I see the recovery period

As at 30 June 2020, 100 of 153 (65.4%) students and 16 of 25 (64%) staff members have recovered (with two negative PCR results). Evaluating the recovery period revealed that 60% of asymptomatic cases recovered within 25 days vs only 37% of symptomatic cases.

But it doesnt actually say what it means by that. Having had a couple of nasty things in my time 6 weeks wasnt sufficient timing on those to be fully recovered either so without further information its hard to tell

it does say this though

COVID-19 prevention in schools involves studying in small groups and minimising student mixing in activities and transportation. Teachers and parents should lead by wearing facemasks, hand hygiene, keeping physical distance etc. School attendance should be avoided at any sign of illness.

Which I guess it what Climbdad is saying we should do

@Quartz2208

actually *@mrshoho* I read it wrong - one went to the Emergency Room but was not hopsitalised

Yes I see the recovery period

As at 30 June 2020, 100 of 153 (65.4%) students and 16 of 25 (64%) staff members have recovered (with two negative PCR results). Evaluating the recovery period revealed that 60% of asymptomatic cases recovered within 25 days vs only 37% of symptomatic cases.

But it doesnt actually say what it means by that. Having had a couple of nasty things in my time 6 weeks wasnt sufficient timing on those to be fully recovered either so without further information its hard to tell

it does say this though

COVID-19 prevention in schools involves studying in small groups and minimising student mixing in activities and transportation. Teachers and parents should lead by wearing facemasks, hand hygiene, keeping physical distance etc. School attendance should be avoided at any sign of illness.

Which I guess it what Climbdad is saying we should do

I wonder if recover means test negative? If you are asymptomatic you wouldn't have any symptoms to recover from I suppose. Not sure..

It does seem to say that recovery is classed as 2 negative tests actually after reading it again, not necessarily that you would be ill for that length of time

DS was a grumpy shit after having to wear his mask to traipse round M&S today, I can just imagine what he'll say if I tell him he'll have to wear it at school in September.

Isn't it better for the kids just to get it and become immune?

@Jrobhatch29 you are right it must be given that is the only way asymptomatic cases could not be recovered given that there would have been no symptoms

It doesnt actually suggest masks for children though and I do think its recommendations are fairly sound (given it says studying and mixing with doesnt necessarily translate to class size just smaller ones within that)

Good points Quartz and also this is just one school in Israel. We don't know how many other schools were also given permission to remove the masks and what the outcome was in all the other schools. It could be that every other school had minimal transmission.

Isn't it better for the kids just to get it and become immune?

Really??? What about the teaching staff and children with vulnerable members of their family or vulnerable children??

Teaching staff could protect themselves

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/unions-call-for-teachers-in-england-to-be-able-to-wear-face-masks

Maybe something to do with this...(ClimbDad)