What will schools do when kids get the inevitable temperatures over winter?

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Won't they be having to close down every 5 minutes? So many will get temperatures over autumn/winter as they always do. Or will the schools just rely on people getting kids tested ASAP and then close for 2 weeks if someone tests positive? I'm struggling to see how it will work in practice

The government has thrown money at Oak National Academy, so that's something. BUT, still doesn't take away the fact that lots of children don't have the technology to watch this stuff. They don't suit that many kids either, but in an emergency.

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Is BBC Bitesize returning to tv?

We're returning to the UK from overseas, so watching this thread with interest. I feel extremely sorry for the teachers and the nightmare they are going to face. Parents should be standing shoulder to shoulder with the teachers and fighting for funding to make schools safer. The whole idea of 350 pupil bubbles is nonsense and the government appears to be trying to look like it is doing something without actually spending any money. I think there will be huge disruption in the autumn term but having said that, there would be disruption for parents with a part time/blended learning plan as well.

If cases pick up it's going to be ridiculous for parents. So much uncertainty...hopefully most parents either have back up plans in place or are speaking with employers now about it.

Theres been little contingency planning so for a lot of children if they have to isolate the provision will be worse than during lockdown for them! The big issue now is that theyll actually be falling behind as other children will be in school learning.

I dont see how secondaries can shut bubbles down as they dont really exist, especially with teachers moving around so itll be hold on as long as possible before cases rise too much and the school shuts for 2 weeks.

Again, with so little contingency planning those 2 weeks will be very tough on parents and children's learning.

There has been plenty of contingency planning in schools for learning. I planned all that before I did any planning for actually being in school like normal.

As has already been said surely once negative test returns they can go back? Mine get every cold going in the winter and it’s more likely to be common cold then Covid realistically so it is not going to be sustainable to be off for 14 days every couple of weeks potentially?

Hopefully the spit test takes off as well

@netflixismysidehustle

Is BBC Bitesize returning to tv?

Yes! It's already on BBC iPlayer!

Alaska, yes if the test is negative and the child no longer has symptoms they can return. But of course coughs and sniffles do linger and schools will not want students returning until they have gone.

Sadly my DD is like me in that if a cough is picked up it lingers for weeks, downside of my asthma and her mouth breathing. She had a cough pre lockdown that I think was 4 weeks ongoing and didn't die off until 2 weeks into lockdown. If the school decides she can't come back even with negative testing until the cough is cleared she won't be in school for most of winter. Though depending on whether this year is a repeat of last one she likely won't be bothered! But I'll still have to get DS there and back after his 14 days.

DD isn't the type to feign a cough to get out of school, but DS most certainly is and I'm sure he's going to cotton onto that quickly. Not that I think if he does school should allow him back btw until a negative test comes in, I totally understand they cannot risk it. More musing that he may cause us problems that can be avoided!

[quote BelleSausage]@bumblingbovine49

Really? This plan, which will cause sudden lose of childcare for up to two weeks and rolling school closures all winter is going to help working parents?

Pull the other one!

Part-time with mandatory online provision would at least help keep infection low AND have the benefit of students already receiving online lessons so it is not the end of the world if school has to close for two weeks.

If anybody from Us for Them is reading this, here is my summation of what they’ve achieved: you’ve screwed us all over. Well done! Just because you couldn’t envisage a different system working.[/quote]
I am not saying I agree . Just that is what the government thinks. I think part time school with supplemental online learning ( either alternate weeks or certain days for each child) should have been the option from when they sent some children back in June . Sending certain years in only was in my opinion terrible and unfair. I think that is what a few European countries did before the summer break ( Germany I think ?)

I agree we should have a planned part time attendance which would have been a realistic test of if it might work practically in September, which is when it would have come into its own if we had another peak of infections. As it stands we are trying to carry on a as normal in September ( all children with face to face teaching full time ) and at the same time saying everything has to change ( extra cleaning, hand washing, bubbles/ physical distancing , staggered starts and lunch breaks we etc). A recipe for failure in my opinion.

I also agree about schools being unable to manage if enough staff get ill or are isolating. DS' s year (10) were told to stay home a week before schools were told to switch to distance learning at lockdown start because so many of the teachers wee off that the school couldn't meet minimum health and safety standards of supervision.

They need to temperature check all the kids at the morning drop off.

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

They need to temperature check all the kids at the morning drop off.

The government guidance specifically says not to do this.

And who would do this anyway? Potentially 100s of kids.
Cleaning reusable thermometers between each child.
Getting close enough to do a temp check

It's awful (but true) that we can't trust parents not to send in sick kids

Lots of the people on the long covid group didn't get a temperature.
Including me.

Well I'm due back for in service on Monday 10 August. The Scottish Government are making the decision about school return full time tomorrow and announcing it to the Scottish Parliament on Thursday. We have seen NO guidance. It was only finalised by the Education Recovery Group on Friday and is not being released until Thursday. How on earth do they expect teachers, other staff, parents and children to read, understand and implement guidance they have not yet seen in the space of ten days? I understand our union H&S rep is not meeting our HT until 6 August to agree the risk assessment which we have similarly not yet seen. My classroom is cleared and furniture moved etc as we were instructed to do at end of term for a return with blended learning. The SQA exam results are due out on 4 August and given the rumours about the numbers of appeals likely it is going to be chaos in secondary schools.

AAT65 Crazy and chaotic! Yes in England the secondary schools must return full time for all students, a host of extra measures of cleaning, ventilation, hygiene, logistics of bubbles and also organise retakes to any students wishing to re sit GCSEs in November. Oh and be ready to switch to remote learning when children are sent home to isolate. OK!!! The guidance states these should be taken in the centre where the original exams were to be sat. I assume this applies to only schools with 6th form provision. At least we have been given some time to implement unless of course it all changes again!

I am confused now! The official gov advice clearly says that if a child has symptoms they go off and cannot return for 14 days if they have a negative test.

Why are people saying kids can go back to school without the quarantine?

I do agree with PP that huge numbers of children will avoid school in this way and there will be very little their parents can do about it. The test really isn't so unpleasant that it would stop anyone from calling wolf.

I am confused now! The official gov advice clearly says that if a child has symptoms they go off and cannot return for 14 days if they have a negative test.

Because the guidance says:

If someone tests negative, if they feel well and no longer have symptoms similar to coronavirus (COVID-19), they can stop self-isolating. They could still have another virus, such as a cold or flu – in which case it is still best to avoid contact with other people until they are better. Other members of their household can stop self-isolating.

@lockdownalli We we’re discussing this in the Staffroom. Unfortunately not many parents have read the guidance (it is lengthy!) and the gov are very careful about what information is made explicit (so they are ‘can do’) and what is left for schools to disseminate to parents (and look like they haven’t got a ‘can do’ attitude).

(As you can tell I’m sick of hearing ‘can do’)

@lockdownalli isn't that bit. Of the guidance for household members of someone who tests positive so if you live with someone who tests positive and you are tested yourself on day 1 but negative you still need to continue isolating. Whereas if you are the one with actual symptoms and no one else has it in your house then a negative test and feeling well again is olenty

But the post above yours directly contradicts that. It says if a pupil has symptoms but a negative test they must self isolate for 14 days.

Thanks Ichabog

So the advice I copied, that says "if the test delivers a negative result, they must remain in isolation for the remainder of the 14 day isolation period" is no longer in place? When did that government advice change?

No wonder people are so confused

Sorry that was for Ikabog