Anyone been ‘tracked and traced’?

[parrotonmyshoulder]

I was thinking about this in a restaurant yesterday. How many people there really would comply with a phone call telling them to self-isolate, if someone else at a distant table (although you wouldn’t know how far away) contracted the virus (and bothered to get a test and remembered where they’d been...)?

I’m interested in the track and trace and how it works. If a person was in the pub and found out they had it is it just the people who Were in the pub the same time or the ones after as well? As it could linger on surfaces we are told?
What about if the person was inside the pub and someone sat outside the pub and did not enter at all so they never came in to contact as food/drinks delivered by staff now would they be contacted?

So many questions on how this could possible work and also if people would then actually get tested and are they contacted again to see if they had it. It’s mind boggling

Exactly. And really, are people really going to take 14 days off work just because someone with a positive test was in the same pub? I’m not saying they shouldn’t self isolate, just questioning the reality!

@parrotonmyshoulder exactly I just can not see how it’s carried out. Also checks are not being carried out to see if people are isolating. Just read the article in the paper about Spain and the 14 day quarantine there is loads of comments telling worries holiday makers returning they don’t have to isolate as they won’t be checked. we don’t have the man power to enforce it unfortunately it’s up to people to use their common sense.
Crazy times that’s for sure.

I work in England, live in Wales. I can't even register on it as my GP is in Wales. Wales doesn't have a track and trace. It's not fit for purpose.

@parrotonmyshoulder

Exactly. And really, are people really going to take 14 days off work just because someone with a positive test was in the same pub? I’m not saying they shouldn’t self isolate, just questioning the reality!

If they aren’t prepared to comply they shouldn’t go to the pub. It’s that simple. We are all at the mercy of selfish arseholes.

Absolutely no way. My dh has already had to take time off work and I’ve just gone back to work after months of working from home so there is no way either of us could stay at home. If we tested positive then yes but other than that no.

Jossen that's very public spirited of you! How selfish.

And

I’m having to self isolate for the next fortnight due to having some planned surgery which is pain enough but my employers have been great about it. If I get back to normal after that and someone calls me and tells me to self isolate for another two weeks due to some theoretical risk the answer would be absolutely not unless, they give me a test which proves I have it.

My life has been controlled enough these last few months and I’ve had enough. I’ll go along with face masks because I have to but don’t believe for a second that they help. I didn’t see family for months like everyone else. Will only get to see my grandparents next week after almost 5 months. I keep my distance in shops, have kept my children off school to keep them safe and in general done everything I’ve been told like a sheep. But I’m doing no more.

@Jossen

My life has been controlled enough these last few months and I’ve had enough. I’ll go along with face masks because I have to but don’t believe for a second that they help. I didn’t see family for months like everyone else. Will only get to see my grandparents next week after almost 5 months. I keep my distance in shops, have kept my children off school to keep them safe and in general done everything I’ve been told like a sheep. But I’m doing no more.

Do you want your childrens teacher to have the same attitude as you and not stay home if they are in contact with covid?

My dc aren’t going back to school in September so it won’t bother me.

I can't see how it will work in pubs really. If some random person had a drink in the pub garden and someone else does several hours later, the chances of them catching COVID from that are surely remote? Yes the virus was found to survive on surfaces in perfect condition but much less so outdoors. Plus This is when someone is symptomatic (they've said asymptomatic people don't spread it as easily) Are they really going to take two weeks off work for that?

What's to stop you isolating for 5 days the getting a test to know one way or the other?

This is a genuine question, but if we were called by track and trace, why would we not just isolate for a few days and then get a test and then continue to isolate or not based on the results?

@wantmorenow Wales DOES have a track and trace.

@yomommasmomma

This is a genuine question, but if we were called by track and trace, why would we not just isolate for a few days and then get a test and then continue to isolate or not based on the results?

Afaik you can only get a test if your symptomatic. The expectation is that they’ll call you and tell you you may have been near someone who has been diagnosed and you have to stay in for a couple of weeks just in case.

My mums raking in the cash at the minute. She’s a contact tracer, and does a grand total of 0 calls per shift .

Northernsoullover. Where is it and what's it called. Just googled again and can't find it.

Does it link to England one as that's where I will be during week?

Cheers

If they aren’t prepared to comply they shouldn’t go to the pub. It’s that simple. We are all at the mercy of selfish arseholes.

Err no you are sat nowhere near and had no contact you shouldn't isolate.

We are at mercy of panicky aresholes.

Err no you are sat nowhere near and had no contact you shouldn't isolate.

If you were sitting nowhere near and had no contact you wouldn’t be asked to isolate. That’s why it’s seated only and table numbers etc. Again, if you aren’t prepared to isolate if told you have been exposed, you shouldn’t be going.

You are wrong even if sat near you should be two meters away.

The mass panic about a virus that kills a tiny percentage is more terrifying than the virus.

Our local pub closed on Friday, last Wednesday someone who felt ill had a coronavirus test, it came back negative so they carried on with their life thinking they were just a bit under the weather, spent all Saturday night in the local pub, became very ill Monday so went to hospital and were then diagnosed Covid positive. They let the pub know on the Monday, the pub spoke to the council who said they would get back to them, on the Friday the pub was told to close for 14 days, the landlord asked if they wanted the register log for who had been in the pub and they said no 🤷🏻‍♀️ Track and trace working a dream here in South Yorkshire

@wantmorenow
I think you are confused as to how track and trace works, as there is nothing to 'register' for. It is simply the method in which those who test positive in England are asked to provide contacts (and the names of pubs and similar venues) that they have been in contact with in the previous 14 days. The way in which pubs choose to enact their requirement to collect personal details of visitors is largely up to them and in many cases is simply a piece of paper or email address with no restrictive electronic form in sight (clearly paper is not going to prevent an address in Wales from being written on it).

@wantmorenow gov.wales/test-trace-protect-html

Well it’s going to be self-fulfilling either way isn’t it?

Either people will isolate or they won’t. If cases remain steady or drop then the non-compliant will feel vindicated and we’ll all carry on or cases will rise and the choice will be taken out of our hands and non-essential points of transmission (pubs, restaurants, parks etc) will be closed probably along with much needed services like dentists, opticians, schools and childcare.

I do think that the government need to do much more to get employers on board. I’ve questioned my trust repeatedly on their policy for staff going forward this year regarding isolating and attendance difficulties due to children isolating and been met with a deafening silence.