Anyone been ‘tracked and traced’?

[parrotonmyshoulder]

I was thinking about this in a restaurant yesterday. How many people there really would comply with a phone call telling them to self-isolate, if someone else at a distant table (although you wouldn’t know how far away) contracted the virus (and bothered to get a test and remembered where they’d been...)?

I think track and trace has also got to be pretty specific. I saw somewhere that all customers who had visited a Durham pub over a 2 week period were being asked to self isolate. That seems a bit excessive.

Also would the families have to self isolate as well. So say they hadn't been to the pub but are sharing accommodation with the person who had?

I was surprised when we went to an outdoor historic garden that they took our details specifically for track and trace. Yet we were outdoors and told not to be within 2 metres of anyone at any time.

I've now been in 3 pubs where they haven't asked for any contact details. No one would know I was there.

I saw somewhere that all customers who had visited a Durham pub over a 2 week period were being asked to self isolate

I would presume a member of staff had tested positive in that case. Problem is that’s exactly how superspreaders work so I don’t see a way around that if places are going to be open.

You're correct, I'm totally confused about how things are supposed to work. I went to a Greene King pub in England and they would not take my details, asked me to use a QR code to download the app and I failed the authentication step as I wasn't registered with English GP.
I gave them my details but they really weren't interested and I think the piece of paper was promptly discarded. I only went to pub as I needed the loo after spending hours in opticians and it was a good 1.5 hours trip to the town as live in middle of nowhere. (I did buy a drink though too to be polite)

Surely you can just say you have symptoms and get tested so that you don't have to self isolate for 2 week?

I don’t understand how compulsory it is. If they cal you and say you’ve had a contact but they won’t tell you who, how do you know it’s genuine? What if I said no I’m not going to isolate? Is there any comeback on me?

Also agree that people should be paid a salary while isolating and employers should be made to do this. What was it Boris said, no one should be penalised for doing the right thing? Well SSP of £90 a week would definitely be a massive penalty in my world.

I thought you would only be told to isolate if you have spent more than 15m within the 2m guidance with the infected person (or something along them lines) if you have kept to the social distance measures laid out in pubs, restaurants etc why would there be a need to isolate if someone who happened to be in there at the same time sat no where near you then tests positive?

yomomma tests arent accurate before symptoms appear, so you'd be playing the system by requesting a test like that. Thats why its 14 days as it can take that long for symptoms to show.

@yomommasmomma

Surely you can just say you have symptoms and get tested so that you don't have to self isolate for 2 week?

The incubation period can be 14 days, so you could have negative tests day 1,3,5,9,13 and still develop cv on day 14. A negative test is only meaningful if you have symptoms, to confirm or not that those symptoms are related to cv.

Uhoh2020 this is what I was wondering. If you distance within the pub/restaurant then it should be neither here nor there if they have your name on a list.

I was in our local pub for a meal last week. I was sat more than 2m from any of the nearest customers. Under the guidelines I have not been 'in contact' with anyone - 2m for 15 mins...but my name might be flagged for contact tracing, even if someone who was sat outside in the conservatory area, a good 10m away who was no where near me, tested positive. The system is flawed. I'm a SAHP so not such a big issue for me but I can imagine being pretty pissed off being told to isolate just for being somewhere, even if I wasn't in contact. Did Chris Witty not say that was one of the good things about keeping the 2m before was that you would know you won't be a contact and have to self isolate?

@Daisychains20

I’m interested in the track and trace and how it works. If a person was in the pub and found out they had it is it just the people who Were in the pub the same time or the ones after as well? As it could linger on surfaces we are told? What about if the person was inside the pub and someone sat outside the pub and did not enter at all so they never came in to contact as food/drinks delivered by staff now would they be contacted?

So many questions on how this could possible work and also if people would then actually get tested and are they contacted again to see if they had it. It’s mind boggling

I would be interested in knowing this too as a local pub in my town has been closed with 16 cases found in the last 2 weeks since pubs openned

www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12215481/pub-linked-isolate-coronavirus-shut/

and in answer to your question, everyone that visited the pub was told to isolate for 2 weeks, but this was several staff who were infected so anyone who visited while they were working would have to isolate I guess

Having said that, this is strange

"If you were in The Downsman pub between 9 and 18 July (excluding the 16 July) please self-isolate for 14 days from the date of your last visit."

I am guessing the 2 infected staff were on a day off on 16th July, but could the virus be on surfaces still? so the people who visited on that day should also isolate?

Hmm I would absolutely do it IF I knew I’d been in contact with a confirmed case but without being sure of that I am not so sure. I was in the pub last week, had zero contact that would meet the definition of close contact. Why would I isolate because someone I was 10 metres away from in a pub had it? If they’re going to introduce that they need to start taking people’s details going into supermarkets and getting everyone who was there to isolate if there is a positive case

@SengaStrawberry

Hmm I would absolutely do it IF I knew I’d been in contact with a confirmed case but without being sure of that I am not so sure. I was in the pub last week, had zero contact that would meet the definition of close contact. Why would I isolate because someone I was 10 metres away from in a pub had it? If they’re going to introduce that they need to start taking people’s details going into supermarkets and getting everyone who was there to isolate if there is a positive case

I understand your point, but in the case of the pub near me that was closed, there were only 2 staff infected and then 16 cases were found from the people in the pub so anyone could pass it on inadvertently in a confined area.

@Jenasaurus

and in answer to your question, everyone that visited the pub was told to isolate for 2 weeks, but this was several staff who were infected so anyone who visited while they were working would have to isolate I guess

But no customers would be within 2 m of staff for more than 15 minutes. Also weren't staff wearing face masks/visors? They all seem to be round here.

@askmehowiknow

The idea that you can only get the virus if you’re within 2 metres for 15 mins isn’t accurate. Things like air conditioning also playa huge role. Watch how numerous people in a bus were infected by one passenger here:

english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-06-17/an-analysis-of-three-covid-19-outbreaks-how-they-happened-and-how-they-can-be-avoided.html

People can do what they like, but to that one poster - yes, it is selfish if you’re gallivanting around pubs and restaurants, not complying with track and trace AND planning to visit grandparents, as you intend to do next week. At least don’t do the latter...

Very helpful thank you

They're definitely not doing it right in our town. A customer at a pub tested positive. It was all over facebook saying yes we've had a positive case but we've sent all the staff for a test and they all tested negative so it's business as usual.
A similar thing happened to my husband. His job invloves him going into various different work places and after him going into one one day he found out that a staff member had tested positive. He told his managers who had him go for a test and as soon as it was back negative he was sent back to work. In both cases i was thinking but aren't they supposed to self isolate for 14 days and only take the test if they have symptoms?

@Bebbanburger that is very worrying then and definitely not how it's meant to work. I'm amazed a pun would actually think that was correct to be honest.

I’m off to the pub for my tea later. Good to know the system is working so well.

going to introduce that they need to start taking people’s details going into supermarkets and getting everyone who was there to isolate if there is a positive case
Good point

It's TEST and trace btw

Track and trace is for parcels...

cooperage

It's TEST and trace btw

Track and trace is for parcels...

Oh yes! True.

@yomommasmomma

This is a genuine question, but if we were called by track and trace, why would we not just isolate for a few days and then get a test and then continue to isolate or not based on the results?

It can take up to 14 days for you to get it (ie be infectious or show symptoms) which is why the period is 14 days. So if you get a negative test result on day 5, by day 7 you could have turned into a positive (if you were to get tested again).