Coronavirus is awful but...

[Keepgoing88]

I do believe so would be continual lockdown and not just to the economy, the affect on people's mental (and in some cases physical) wellbeing is massive.
I believe Statistics have shown you are more likely to drown than die of corona if you are healthy and under 60 with no other conditions. If that is the case then would we stop all people going swimming Indefinetly...doubt it!
I think where I am getting at with this is that it's sad but I feel that if we truly do have to live with this terrible disease then unfortunately it should be those most vulnerable to the Illness that should isolate but not everyone else. I don't think this is a great solution but also I don't think it is fair on all healthy people to have to go on lockdown when the risk to them is so low. Anyway got most of my thoughts down / my two pennies worth! Does anyone else feel like this or have other views?!

Most of you dont see the others of course, because they are shut away where they belong and not worthy of being part of our society. You dont talk to them on mn because they shouldn't even be on here.

"No. I definitely don't have two under 5s whilst being on the sheilding list..."

Do you realise you shouldn't even be on here because mn is not for others.

It's an inconvenient truth that the exceptionally medically vulnerable list contains no age categories whatsoever.

Also that children are being required to shield at present

We've certainly felt that there are all too many people who want to rewrite us all off as old/at death's door.

Is my life 90% normal?
Mon
take DCs to school (x5)
support school swimming
swimming lessons
Tues
SNs invervention at school
Scouting
Wed
SNs intervention
Thurs
Guiding (volunteering)
Fri
Martial arts
Sat
parkrun
Sun
volunteer at junior parkrun
family friendly church service

DH working from home for the forseeable.

Some of that will be back in some altered form by September. Some of it will still have some time to go. I'm still existing in suspended animation albeit July has brought about a few more child friendly options and already feels like the arse end of the summer holidays even though they broke up today 20th March

50 000 deaths is not unheard of in a bad flu year (2018) despite vaccines. Vulnerable demographics are largely similar. We don't routinely grind society to a halt to prevent flu epidemics. We did need to be cautious about reining in the spread of the virus and finding out more, and this winter we are in a much.stronger position to manage it than we were last winter. We do need to make sure that we have a healthy economy and society and not sacrifice all for disease elimination. It's a balancing act.

The true impacts of the Covid response will not be seen in 2020. Delayed cancer diagnosis is a major cost as is delays in care in routine and chronic healthcare as are many other conditions not getting timely treatment.

No, we don't grind toma halt for flu.

That every single country has made significant alterations really ought to be making it clear that this is not flu

The impact of a totally novel infectious disease is utterly unlike flu - which untrammelled has lower deaths than thus disease has with a lockdown

Notshiny.

This is not my thread.
I am not young and fit.
I prefer not to pretend that everyone is equally vulnerable to dying from covid as that would be a lie.
Just as those shielding or with underlying conditions make their decisions based on their risk profile so do others.

If you are determined to take offence nit much anyone can say.

@NotShiny

"No. I definitely don't have two under 5s whilst being on the sheilding list..."

Do you realise you shouldn't even be on here because mn is not for others.

I had suspected this was the case.

I had planned to just slip under the radar, but it appears I've been found out.

Bugger, I'll just go back to othersnet where we can all be irrelevant together

@Nappyvalley15

Notshiny.

This is not my thread.
I am not young and fit.
I prefer not to pretend that everyone is equally vulnerable to dying from covid as that would be a lie.
Just as those shielding or with underlying conditions make their decisions based on their risk profile so do others.

If you are determined to take offence nit much anyone can say.

Notshiny is joking

I am holiday in the UK and seeing the new normal with fresh eyes in two separate towns is very sobering. Lockdown is over but this is nothing like normal. I cant see how businesses will survive this.

Lots of my kids favourite venues and clubs have gone bust. Cant swim anywhere but the sea. It is what is. Click your fingers and even if you could guarantee everyone is safe, I dont think people would go back to their old ways.

Plus it's not safe is it? I'm a mim.of young kids and even I dont feel confident I would survive it.

IMO if you can get back to doing anything you miss, you should. Local lockdown might pop up at any time. So enjoy what you can. I do wish the judgement on both sides would stop

I work in a school and my whole department are over 50 and some are over 60. We can’t stay at home and not turn up to work or the school won’t be able to function.
Many of my friends of similar ages are in high paid professional roles. If they all have to stay at home too, the tax take will be a lot lower and therefore there be an even worse new austerity which will affect you OP.

50 000 deaths is not unheard of in a bad flu year (2018) despite vaccines. Vulnerable demographics are largely similar. We don't routinely grind society to a halt to prevent flu epidemics.

Deaths have been limited to 50,000 as a result of lockdown. To compare with the 2017-18 flu season (whose vaccine was only 15% effective, almost overwhelmed hospitals, and was the worst for 40 or so years by the way) is comparing apples and pears.

It’s a bit like saying climbing the stairs (the flu) is as dangerous as rock climbing (Covid) with full safety gear (lockdown), and then concluding that safety gear when rock climbing is unnecessary!

@BogRollBOGOF maybe you could practice critical thinking in your newfound spare time?

She's right though.

And it is something we need to learn to live with..

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/23/viral-second-wave-fear-will-drive-us-another-lockdown/?icid=editorial_editorial_nav-bar_particle_article-playlist-fte-2307&WT.mc_id=e_DM1269351&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Reg&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Reg20200723&utm_campaign=DM1269351

Many of my friends of similar ages are in high paid professional roles. If they all have to stay at home too, the tax take will be a lot lower and therefore there be an even worse new austerity which will affect you OP.

Hmm...really?

"Britain’s upper-middle-class professionals cannot believe their luck. They have, once again, emerged as the great winners from a crisis: ensconced in spare rooms, they are coping so well with the Zoom economy that they want to make it the new normal.

Working from home (or WFH in corporatese) is easier than they previously realised, allowing greater flexibility while saving time and money once wasted on commutes and overpriced sandwiches. No wonder that most bankers, lawyers, consultants, accountants, marketers, tech workers and other office staff don’t want to go back to the five-day commute, and many employers plan to save a fortune by obliging them."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/22/home-working-revolution-will-derail-middle-class-gravy-train/

Orangeblossom that observation is so true. I have friends in this position. They have more free time and more money and this is a great outcome for them. The losers will be the people working in cafes, bars, sandwich shops, newsagents etc. All people who cannot afford to lose their jobs. This will have a very negative impact on society.

@Stellakent

Orangeblossom that observation is so true. I have friends in this position. They have more free time and more money and this is a great outcome for them. The losers will be the people working in cafes, bars, sandwich shops, newsagents etc. All people who cannot afford to lose their jobs. This will have a very negative impact on society.

You lot are so contradictory. On one hand, you assert that a whole generation have had their childhood stolen from them as they've been stuck in a spare room learning via Zoom. On the other hand, adults are having the time of their lives stuck in a spare room working via Zoom - so much so they don't wish it to ever stop. Are you bonkers? Do you ever stop to think a little bit?

I don't think it is just office workers affecting those jobs.

Tourism and mass events are also huge - and not likely to be back to normal for a long time.

It's easy to scapegoat those WFH, and there's a vested interest in getting things 'back to normal' but normal wasn't that great for lots of people.

Claws why is it hard to understand that some are badly affected and others not so much? Do you always think in black and white?

Of course some have benefitted and others suffered mainly due to wealth, and situation. It's a mixed bag.

@Orangeblossom78

Claws why is it hard to understand that some are badly affected and others not so much? Do you always think in black and white?

Of course some have benefitted and others suffered mainly due to wealth, and situation. It's a mixed bag.

I struggle to think of anyone who has truly "benefited" from this situation. For some, isolation suits their personality. But the cloud of COVID forcing the isolation itself is no benefit. It's ridiculous to suggest so.

It’s difficult, I can see where you are coming from OP. I think some things will never go back to the way they were before but we couldn’t continue lockdown forever. Things are far from 90% normal now. I work in school and things are going to be very different come September. I am pleased the children will be back, but school won’t be the same. Everyone who works in school is expecting a lot of behavioural issues come September, and large gaps between those who have been supported at home to learn and those who haven’t. Unfortunately this is going to have widened the attainment gap massively between rich and poor. We just won’t know the long term effects yet.

I speak as someone in one of the groups who initially was told was vulnerable (asthma) but then later on it was decided we weren’t after all. (So no just because I occasionally get a bit wheezy with hayfever doesn’t make me clinically vulnerable).

I don’t personally know anyone who has died or been seriously ill from Covid. Obviously I know thousands have died or been ill from reading the news, but it does surprise me when other posters seem to personally know loads who have had it.
I think as humans we often find risk hard to judge rationally so I veer between thinking I am being over-cautious or reckless....

I do however know people who have been affected by lockdown - my good friend lost her job (which has affected her mental health), another friend is fighting to keep his business afloat, and most of my friends have had pay cuts. So I am aware of the wider impacts of Covid, not just the health ones.

As for dismissing the effect on children as just being a few months off school to play computer games - that is really dismissive of the Y11s and Y13s who had their final year of education cut short - I guess when this year’s GCSE and A Level results come in we’ll know the full impact this has had on them....

My life is definitely not 90% back to normal. I’m still furloughed after being unable to do my job from home with my toddler and my office is still shut. Every indoor place you can take toddlers in my area remains closed. Which isn’t the biggest problem in the world but a bit shite in a Glasgow summer.

My mental health isn’t good.