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Coronavirus is awful but...

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Keepgoing88 · 23/07/2020 07:47

I do believe so would be continual lockdown and not just to the economy, the affect on people's mental (and in some cases physical) wellbeing is massive.
I believe Statistics have shown you are more likely to drown than die of corona if you are healthy and under 60 with no other conditions. If that is the case then would we stop all people going swimming Indefinetly...doubt it!
I think where I am getting at with this is that it's sad but I feel that if we truly do have to live with this terrible disease then unfortunately it should be those most vulnerable to the Illness that should isolate but not everyone else. I don't think this is a great solution but also I don't think it is fair on all healthy people to have to go on lockdown when the risk to them is so low. Anyway got most of my thoughts down / my two pennies worth! Does anyone else feel like this or have other views?!

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NotShiny · 23/07/2020 18:46

I get fed up of the "othering" done on here of people over 60 (or even over 40 on some threads)...and people with conditions...like "oh dont worry you are very unlikely to get it if under 40 and fit and well"...presuming they arent talking to someone in that category. It's so rude. It's like as soon as you hit 40 you might aswell just pop off the other side of the world you dont matter and you definately wouldnt be here on mn talking to decent young fit and healthy people.

labyrinthloafer · 23/07/2020 18:47

It is also, imo, othering - splitting people into two groups.

And the people saying it don't often say 'i am lucky not to have underlying conditions but because I am socially responsible I will not do X for fear of limiting the opportunities for everyone to go out', they usually are saying 'well only people with underlying conditions die anyway, so let's open x up (to benefit me) and they can just not go'.

labyrinthloafer · 23/07/2020 18:48

Snap on othering

NotShiny · 23/07/2020 18:50

Oh and all these fit and under 60 or 40 people definately wont have any friends or family in that horrid devalued category as they just wouldnt associate with those sort of people I guess!? So they wont be going near them at all?!

853690525d · 23/07/2020 18:53

I agree. And this more vulnerable group can't just shield. Not unless a truck load of mobile services visit everyone daily (traveling dentist? How would that work)? When people talk about learning to live with covid, it's code for adjustment of the moral compass so hundreds/thousands of excess deaths are normalised. It's not "How can we create mobile services" which would involve a learning process, at least. And masks may be helpful but if everyone assumes they're a ticket to end social distancing, they're worse than useless.

NotShiny · 23/07/2020 18:53

And...nobody in those categories (over 40 or 60 with conditions) have children, because I guess they wouldnt?!

lazylinguist · 23/07/2020 18:53

I don't think schools will be prevented from going back by people kicking up a fuss, but the return to school could certainly be prevented (or cancelled after pretty soon after it starts) by a second wave of the virus. But obviously that would be a totally reasonable and necessary decision.

lazylinguist · 23/07/2020 18:54

Sorry - that was in reply to Waxonwaxoff0.

853690525d · 23/07/2020 18:56

I think we've sacrificed an entire generation of young people.

Oh for fucks sake. Syria can say that. Ours have been ar home for a few months perfecting Call of Duty. They're hardly piled in an open grave. And this is probably from a poster who feels the unnecessary deaths of 50 000 people is being taken too seriously.

NotShiny · 23/07/2020 18:57

"well only people with underlying conditions die anyway"

Yes, which they might aswell follow that up with "and they dont matter" or "who are they anyway, I've never even met anyone in that category as they are so disgusting"!

ktp100 · 23/07/2020 19:01

Maybe it is because I have 3 young children but for us there is still a lot we cannot do... We cannot go to the playgrounds where I live as they are not opening them yet. We cannot do soft play yet and a lot of the activities we normally do are not open

I wonder what the families of people who died of covid would think of you complaining about something as non-essential as not being able to go to a playground or soft play area?

This virus has already taken hundreds of thousands of lives globally.

See the bigger picture.

NotShiny · 23/07/2020 19:04

But ktp100.. those people dont matter because they are linked to the people that are "othered", so disgusting in their own right!!

Disfordarkchocolate · 23/07/2020 19:06

I was chatting to someone this week whose fit healthy wife has lung and heart damage.

I can take a bit of isolation to help prevent that in someone else.

I'd do a lot to prevent someone not being able to see their Mam before they died, that one is me. It's hard to cope with.

Some people have no idea what utter crap they are posting.

Porcupineinwaiting · 23/07/2020 19:11

we've sacrificed an entire generation of young people

No love, you're thinking of WWI.

amusedtodeath1 · 23/07/2020 19:14

You lost me at but, I'm afraid. It is awful. I know people are struggling with the situation but the restrictions were/are necessary. No one is in lockdown any more and things are getting back to normal. The whole more people die of X than Corona argument is irrelevant. 5 months on and people are still trying to make out like it's nothing???

ktp100 · 23/07/2020 19:20

@NotShiny Oh silly me! I forgot my life became worthless when I turned 40!!!

At least the planet will be in the safe, empathy-riddled hands of the under 30's, who are so resilient that they can not go to a soft play area for a few whole months!!!! Hallelujah!!!

IncrediblySadToo · 23/07/2020 19:23

I think we've sacrificed an entire generation of young people

Jesus wept, how melodramatic are you?

They've been off school a few months not laid down on an alter and stoned.

Utterly ridiculous.

Not to mention, many have been doing work at home. Even the ones whose schools weren't great, could do loads of things at home. If a parent can post on here they can take some responsibility for their child education.

The VIRUS has caused the issues, not lockdown. If we hadn't locked down
We'd have been in the same situation with kids off school & economic impact PLUS many more deaths.

I don't understand people who can't use the brain cells they were born with & stop bloody whinging.

IncrediblySadToo · 23/07/2020 19:26

@Disfordarkchocolate. I am so sorry to hear that, it must be incredibly hard for you 🌷

IncrediblySadToo · 23/07/2020 19:28

Oh & all of those 'othering' people with 'underlying conditions' MANY are unknown before people get ill. Diabetes is a huge factor in Covid deaths, many people aren't aware they have it, for quite some time.

Derbygerbil · 23/07/2020 19:34

If you want them to open, the worst thing you could do is go back completely to normal and allow Covid to spike.

Also, who are you saying needs to be excluded from society so you can get back completely to normal? Around 15 million people (and that’s excluding eligible children) are eligible for the flu jab due to their age or vulnerability. If you include all those who live with those people and will
be concerned about passing it on, that‘s 20-25 million. Of course, most of the old and vulnerable will survive, but their odds are significantly shortener than average, and their chances of surviving only after a severe or critical bout of it are much greater.

Derbygerbil · 23/07/2020 19:38

@Keepgoing88

And don’t you see how incredibly self-centred, sociopathic even, it is to want millions to have to isolate themselves completely from society for an indefinite period, just so you can go to soft play!

Newjez · 23/07/2020 20:04

@Keepgoing88

I do believe so would be continual lockdown and not just to the economy, the affect on people's mental (and in some cases physical) wellbeing is massive. I believe Statistics have shown you are more likely to drown than die of corona if you are healthy and under 60 with no other conditions. If that is the case then would we stop all people going swimming Indefinetly...doubt it! I think where I am getting at with this is that it's sad but I feel that if we truly do have to live with this terrible disease then unfortunately it should be those most vulnerable to the Illness that should isolate but not everyone else. I don't think this is a great solution but also I don't think it is fair on all healthy people to have to go on lockdown when the risk to them is so low. Anyway got most of my thoughts down / my two pennies worth! Does anyone else feel like this or have other views?!

I certainly agree that the government should be funding those who are shielding. Lots of people on furlough are out doing second jobs.

I can't, and I haven't received a penny from the government.

Nappyvalley15 · 23/07/2020 20:39

Nope. Not buying the rubbish about 'othering.' Shaping your psychological response simply means you can follow the guidance and carry on as much as possible on the basis that if you are below a certain age and have no underlying conditions you are unlikely to die from covid. Nothing wrong with saying that. It doesn't mean you don't care about those who are more vulnerable.

NotShiny · 23/07/2020 20:44

"It doesn't mean you don't care about those who are more vulnerable."
It does if you are wording your thread as if you are only talking to like minded people as in young and fit you are basically saying anyone else doesnt matter. Because the others less worthy couldnt possibly be on here of course

OpheliasCrayon · 23/07/2020 20:45

@NotShiny

And...nobody in those categories (over 40 or 60 with conditions) have children, because I guess they wouldnt?!

No. I definitely don't have two under 5s whilst being on the sheilding list...

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