Feeling a bit duped about the seriousness of Covid....

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Found out my district of 55,000 people there have been 156 confirmed covid cases since March. Now I hear there is an enquiry into the over reporting of Covid deaths in England. Average death rate has now lower than average indicating many people who died from Covid would probably died in the next month or so. No surge in Covid cases or deaths since relaxing lockdown measures (I know about Leicester, but we all know reasons why they have more cases and again they haven't had a spike in deaths).
In the meantime, the economy is screwed, Kids have been off school for months, best friends business has gone bust.

Maybe read the numerous 'Lungs' threads on here to see the damage it is causing to younger people who are previously fit and healthy. It's not all about the deaths.

But in reading and such threads, do bear in mind that MN is trolled to high heaven and there is a huge amount of bullshit and exaggeration on here.

Nothing posted on MN is every anything but at best annecdata, given the extent of hyperbole and invention that goes on. The Coronovirus topic has been an absolute gift to those who like to get a good froth going.

I'm sure there are some honest and well-intentioned posts on there, but it's hard to weed those out from the self-diagnosed, self-prognosed, 'friend-of-a-friend on facebook said ...', healthy-anxiety skewed, attention-seeking and troll posts.

@Mintychoc1

I’m a GP and back in March one of our patients died, at a time when Covid tests were only available to patients in hospital. She was in her late 80s, had a cough for a couple of days, then died at home in bed. She had multiple ongoing medical problems. In all probability she died of a chest infection against a backdrop of old age and frailty. I was told by the coroner to certify the cause of death as Covid. I often wonder how many other people that happened to. I’m just one GP with a patient list of 2000, so it’s easy to see how it could be extrapolated.

This is what I had heard from the doctors I know too

Do you feel duped by vehicle safety check and seatbelts because hardly anyone dies in a car crash, OP?

The truth is that we will never know for sure what would have happened without lockdown, but northern Italy (before it finally locked down), and US states like Arizona give us an idea. Do a bit of reading about Bergamo, then decide whether we should have risked carrying on as normal.

You may want to read about permanent damage to lungs and heart and neurological damage in quite young people who were even asymptomatic. It is not only about death. This is very new and we havent seen half of what it can do. Sit down and read on in a year´s time.

If you want to see what a failure to lockdown, or prevent spread means, look at the US right now.

www.ukcolumn.org/article/lockdown-deaths-not-covid-deaths

Lockdown supporter? Blood is on your hands.
Your fear, ignorance and cowardice and 'good intentions' are no excuse for what you have done.

@Gwenhwyfar

"My OH is one. Four months on and he still suffers chest pains, breathlessness, extreme fatigue, aches and pains everywhere ..."

Haven't you told him the good news sunshine. A poster on here knows it's psychosomatic.

You're clearly reading what you want to see, the poster said a lot not all

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/lockdown-may-cost-200k-lives-government-report-shows/

Yes, the economy is ruined, and untold damage done to mental health.Long term here will be far more deaths due to the lockdown than due to the so called pandemic.

That your district mucked up the paperwork for some reason doesn't mean the pandemic isn't happening, nor that the lockdown didn't prevent even more deaths. it means you have incompetent people or people taking shortcuts. they probably did this sort of thing before Covid19 too, but now they got caught.

Everyone I know that understands medicine and statistics has expected that the proof of the lockdown working would be seen as the lockdown not having been needed. it is much like people think all the hullaballoo about the millennial tech issues weren't real after all because nothing happened. The reason nothing happened on 01-01-2000 is because programmers had been working more and more and more overtime for several years to make sure the issues were overwritten with better code before it could happen. The reason Covid19 appears to have been a non-issue in some regions is because people weren't interacting and spreading it about. It was made a non-issue because of the precautions taken meant it didn't reach that region, or didn't get further spread within the region. Exactly as the lockdown was meant to do.

There have been 65 thousand excess deaths. Wtf are you on about?

I'm one of those from the lungs thread who never got a positive COVID test (just like about everyone with COVID before late April). Just been referred to the post COVID investigation unit at the local hospital in the hope of finding out what the fuck it's done to my body. The gp I saw today said there's hundreds of us still suffering.

In other exciting COVID news, about 50% of people who had symptomatic COVID in one study were found to have heart damage. And new evidence is emeging that the virus can trigger diabetes in previously healthy people (including young people). So that's nice.

The reality is they are discovering more long term health affects from this virus every day.

@ACrashInTheNines

www.ukcolumn.org/article/lockdown-deaths-not-covid-deaths

Lockdown supporter? Blood is on your hands.
Your fear, ignorance and cowardice and 'good intentions' are no excuse for what you have done.

Twat.

@BigBadVoodooHat, I don't doubt that there are trolls etc on the Lungs threads but magnify that many hundreds of thousands of times by the people posting on the Slack, Facebook Covid etc and cases being reported extensively by the BBC, The Guardian etc. It is not all anecdotal. There are even Covid rehabilitation clinics being set up around the country to deal with recovering patients. Do you think the Government would be finding these if there was nothing to worry about?

If we don't lock down again if another wave hits, then the health service will be overwhelmed in the long term with people presenting with short and longer term health problems as a result of the damage this virus does. Ultimately, a vaccine and better treatments are the way forward, not denial.

I think your comment about people dying anyway was quite mean. Normally dying people can have family round their bedside yet Covid meant that they died alone or were only with family via FaceTime

@Mintychoc1

I’m a GP and back in March one of our patients died, at a time when Covid tests were only available to patients in hospital. She was in her late 80s, had a cough for a couple of days, then died at home in bed. She had multiple ongoing medical problems. In all probability she died of a chest infection against a backdrop of old age and frailty. I was told by the coroner to certify the cause of death as Covid. I often wonder how many other people that happened to. I’m just one GP with a patient list of 2000, so it’s easy to see how it could be extrapolated.

So you don't know what she died from? But you still certified it? That's dodgy.

*Funding

So you don't know what she died from? But you still certified it? That's dodgy

No, it was following national guidance.

I've been slightly about the figures since my friends uncle died from cancer. On his death certificates they said "with COVID". Hmmmm he had terminal cancer.

@sunshinesupermum

Threads like this make me so mad. It isn't just the deaths ( bad as they are for families and loved ones to cope with) but there are many other COVID sufferers who HAVEN'T died but are still seriously ill months later. My OH is one. Four months on and he still suffers chest pains, breathlessness, extreme fatigue, aches and pains everywhere ...

So mask up, keep your distance and hope to God you and yours don't catch it.

This.

But, even more worryingly, if this virus, which the OP implies is less than serious and over-hyped, has caused this much upheaval and shown how unprepared the world is. Imagine the damage that is going to happen when some SERIOUSLY infectious virus comes along.

Just because the last comparable pandemic was 100 years ago doesn't mean we're safe for another 100 years.

The next one may start next week, next year, or, for all we know, it might be already happening. Right now someone somewhere is possibly showing symptoms of something that will really wipe the floor with the human race.

40000 deaths in the U.K. attributed to pollution each year. By locking down pollution fell to 1950s levels and people stopped dying early due to pollution

Just because someone has terminal cancer doesnt mean they cant have their life shortened by something else though, does it. My friend lived with a terminal diagnosis for 3 years before finally succumbing to an infection. And her life didnt suddenly become worthless because she had a terminal diagnosis either. On the contrary, the time she had left became very precious.

If we hadn’t locked down I don’t doubt there would have been many more deaths. I don’t think in excess of 40,000 is a small number but it could have been worse. The way care homes were handled was a disgrace. The NHS wasn’t overwhelmed because we were on lockdown.
However, I do think the numbers could have been lower if the government had been quicker off the mark and I think an earlier lockdown would have meant we could have returned to normality sooner.
My feeling is that for the vast majority of people, the virus is not serious. But if you DO get it and you need treatment, the most important thing is that there is capacity for hospitals to help. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect everyone to risk their mental health and livliehoods unless the NHS is in real danger again. We can’t live like hermits until a vaccine is found, it will ruin people .

Florida are mass testing. Young people have got to be tested if they want to do sport.... If you want a test you can get one. If we were testing at the same level during our peak we would have seen the same.

Is that you, Donald?

Florida tests per million = 142,106
UK tests per million = 198,205

We are testing more than Florida and always have.

Total cases have quadrupled in a month. They are testing less than twice as many people as they were a month ago.

% of positive tests is much higher too.

Yet they have had 5000 deaths

So far. They are still on an upward curve. Almost half of those deaths have been in the last month. In no way can Florida be considered to be handling this well.

65700 excess deaths WITH a lockdown (from Financial Times) - what would it have been without?