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If you don't care about catching covid, why?

142 replies

yarncakes · 19/07/2020 09:37

Im asking for my own sanity really. I keep telling myself time and time again that if I get coronavirus then that's the way it is. But then during the night I wake up in a sweat, panicking that I've got it. I've tested negative so I know I haven't but it doesn't help with my health anxiety. I'm more worried about my DS and DH, who are both BAME, with a husband who has a health condition as well. Me on the other hand, touch wood I have no health conditions and I'm fairly fit, in my late 20s. Please tell me why you're not worried and is there anything to worry about?!

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SengaStrawberry · 19/07/2020 12:20

3 million have missed cancer screening or treatment. The implications of that are massive. Decades of work on prompt screening and early treatment undone in months

Yep. My smear was cancelled before lockdown and all other cancer screening stopped up here too. I wonder how many people will die as a result of that? But hey, they don’t matter. As long as no one dies of Covid.

Userzzz · 19/07/2020 12:21

I don't worry about catching COVID because the mortality rate is low and it is a mild virus. Most people that die with COVID had significant co morbidities meaning they would have died anyway.
I worry more about getting cancer or another life limiting disease. I'm not prepared to stop living my life, or have my kids stop living their lives. Also not worried about about my kids catching it. I live in North America where 1 in 66 kids is diagnosed with autism. Where's the outrage on that? But yeah, let's focus on a mild virus and mask our kids and keep them locked away without an education staring at a screen all day.. Ridiculous.

Destroyedpeople · 19/07/2020 12:22

Yes I have a friend who was in long term cancer treatment which got cancelled.
She is now in hospital and her son is in foster care....wonder how much tat via give. .

Useruseruserusee · 19/07/2020 12:24

I think I might have had it already. There were confirmed cases in the school I teach at before the lockdown.

I am not worried about myself but my toddler DS is vulnerable. He would likely be hospitalised and I am keen to avoid this.

Bargebill19 · 19/07/2020 12:25

Because I’ve worked in a care home where residents died of it. No isolation and basic cleaning, no ppe. Punched, spat at and god knows where bodily fluids from residents got.
If it didn’t get me then - a) it’s a miracle b) it’s unlikely to get me now.
I’ll follow guidelines for others but for me - meh.

Goldrill · 19/07/2020 12:27

Not at all worried about getting it. When I was pregnant with first child, I had a quite unusual job which put me at risk of catching various odd things. Couldn't get a handle on the real risk and ended up having to ask the US Center for Disease Control for advice. They were great and gave me clearer stats on likelihood of catching things and impact on foetus. And the person I was speaking with finished off by pointing out an equivalent piece of information on the risk of driving between the sites I was working at. It was the context and comparison which was most helpful and let me make an informed decision. I've tried to see covid in the same way.

I also take this approach to whether to see my dad, who is a fit 80 year old with copd. And even when shielding stops I'll not be being anywhere too near him until we either have clear and effective treatment or a vaccine. And I will continue to take the expected precautions everywhere else because it's not the risk to me that matters.

FrolickingFannyBoots · 19/07/2020 12:33

The stats show that overall those who are more elderly or vulnerable with pre- existing conditions that affect the heart or lungs are the most likely to be at risk. And even then, you are still more likely to survive. Covid is a vascular and well as respiratory disease; it attacks the blood vessels, slows down blood flow and induces heart attack, thrombosis, stroke or cytokine storm. Before I became a teacher, I nursed dying patients in my parent’s nursing home over many years. Elderly people in care who suffer dementia or just old age itself are incredibly fragile, even moving their arm to help wash them can cause bruising. Many people never really realise until they get old, just how weak your body becomes, the elderly are so hidden from public view once they are in hospital of care. So fighting off Covid will be very difficult for them and many thousands have died as we know, although the correct figures are still not clear. The general public don’t realise just how many elderly die of normal pneumonia anyway; I would say about 80 percent of the people I cared for died of it. There are so many risks in life - you have to live! I wear my mask everywhere and use hand sanitiser. I’m late 40’s, 3 kids and not in a high risk group but I don’t see Covid as any more of a threat than anything else. I need reconstructive surgery - there are risks in that. Yes, there are some people who are young, no conditions who have either died or very suffered seriously but they are in a minority. So I’m not worried much about me, but I will protect others. The lockdown has done so much damage to the economy, getting medical help for conditions like cancer, our social lives, mental health etc. We have to try now and live again. We can’t go back to no treatment for life threatening diseases, no dentists etc. We must just accept there is some risk, wear masks and get on. You’re far more likely to die of cancer, heart disease, stroke, dementia or a car accident than you are of Covid. Far more. Millions of percent more! You could even fall and hit your head and die such as happened to the lovely Cilla Black, you might have a pulmonary embolism which happened to a lovely lady I knew years ago who literally dropped to the floor in her stables and died there and then. You might get hit by a falling object- last week a falling crane in Hackney killed a woman in her house. A lovely young woman of 24 died last week after her car was burning on the A21. She thought the central reservation on the Medway Viaduct was connected to the other side of the carriageway and she fell through the gap between the roads in the dark. So you might die of accident. Diana died in a car crash. No one is immune to risk. So try to get perspective, wear a mask and look at the facts/ stats not at media hype and public terror. Keep calm, wear a mask and carry on!

heynori · 19/07/2020 12:39

Because I'm young (early 30s), fit and healthy.

Fairly sure I've already had it anyway.

Commentutappelles · 19/07/2020 12:40

I am scared of cancer. I'm not scared of getting covid. I wash my hands more frequently and socially distance. I object strongly to being made to wear a mask as I do not see there is need to do so, so will be switching to online food shopping after next week so I don't need to go to a shop.
As to the teacher comment. Some teachers have shown themselves to be lazy shirkers over this whole period. So much for it being a vocation. They have fallen over themselves to step as far away from children as possible and the education of many children has suffered terribly as a result. I am ashamed to be part of a profession where some teachers have been so desperate not to teach.

Uhoh2020 · 19/07/2020 12:45

Because living a life on permanent lockdown isnt a life it's just existing.
I'll follow the mask wearing and hygiene rules and all the other basics but I'm not in any way stopping living just to exist.

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 19/07/2020 12:46

Those of you who aren't concerned about the individual risk to your health (which I understand, the odds are favourable for me too) - do you not worry at all about the risk to the functioning of society if case numbers go up again

Of course, but me worrying about it isnt going to change a damn thing is it? I could worry all night and all day, never sleep at night and stress myself to the point of a nervous breakdown and thats not going to stop anything bad happening or stop covid in its tracks. There seems to be a lot of cognitive dysfunction on this thread that assumes that worrying about something will prevent it. It wont- since when did worry ever stop anything bad from happening?. In fact, stress and worry lower your immune system, so worrying about covid will ironically make you more vulnerable to it.

If you are following guidelines, worry and fear will only serve to make your life worse, increase your vulnerability to illness and generally drag you down into a hopeless spiral. Worry doesnt add a single second to your life, but it will cause you deep unhappiness and waste the life you actually have now. Excessive worry isnt protective, its highly damaging.

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 19/07/2020 12:56

How dare you suggest that someone who just wants to be afforded their legal right of safety at work should find another job if they aren't prepared to sacrifice themselves?

I can feel the anger coming from your post but I find it disproportionate. I care about teachers working in a safe environment but honestly, teachers are not being asked to 'sacrifice themselves.' That is unnecessary exaggeration. The vast majority of teachers, if they do get the virus, will be absolutely fine. Because this is a virus which mostly kills the very frail and elderly.

Yes, someone might be incredibly unlucky and feel very ill with it or even, at worst, pass away and I am sure most of society cares very much indeed about the few individuals who are that unlucky. But a tiny minority of people are actually at risk of that happening and that kind of death wouldn't be dissimilar to a teacher being killed driving to work or by a freak accident where a roof collapses at school and kills them, or a child bringing in another virus which they pass on.

Life involves risk. Other accidents happen at school, other, sometimes serious, illnesses are spread at school. No one is being asked to enter the trenches! I'm very glad there are many teachers who get that.

Grobagsforever · 19/07/2020 13:04

Because I never get colds or flu so there is evidence that I'm very resilient to the corona virus family.

InFiveMins · 19/07/2020 13:04

I'm not worried about it at all. I'm fairly young, fairly healthy, and so are my immediate family members too, luckily. I have had the flu various times in my life. It's not nice, but I recover from it and get on with life. Why is it different now?

It might sound cliche but I could get run over by a bus tomorrow. I would rather live my life without fear and try to enjoy it as much as I can.

MeadowHay · 19/07/2020 13:12

Because there's risk everywhere in life and for me as a young person with no relevant underlying health conditions my chances of getting seriously unwell are miniscule. I'm probably more likely to suffer serious ill health in many other ways through things that I continue to do without fear e.g. travel in cars, on planes, my mental health - I sometimes get suicidal and I have a history of self harm and OD so I'm far more likely to seriously harm myself than covid is, what else...Im not overweight but I do eat a lot of crap which I'm sure isn't great for my bowel health and lots of sugar which could predispose me to diabetes...as a BAME woman I'm at higher risk of dying during childbirth not sure of the absolute stats for that in relation to covid? But I'm still planning to have another etc etc etc. It would be absolutely nonsensical to be worried about covid if I'm going to continue to get in a car or whatever. I'm BAME too btw but I'm sure the research shows being BAME seems to put your risk roughly on a par with a none BAME person ten years older than you (although this is debateable and I'm mixed ethnicity and my BAME ethnic background isn't one of the ones mentioned as having been especially higher risk). If that is true then my risk is still absolutely miniscule by virtue of age and my health so.

Ponoka7 · 19/07/2020 13:12

@LyndaLaHughes, in which countries was there a spike from schools? Every report that I read said that spikes came from factories and the schools wete then closed because of another lock down. But the school pupils and Staff tested negative.

OP, I'm in the shielding category but haven't been because without me providing childcare, my DD would lose her house. I've been seriously ill. I've had to sign forms in hospital to say who I wanted informing if I died overnight. Then my mobility was poor and I was housebound. I don't want to live like that, it wasn't a life. So I'll take my chances, just like when I have travelling to parts of Africa and during the Aids crisis in the 80's. My age group, 50+ have been here before. Cancer, HIV, infections, flu, heart/lung disease childbirth etc etc could have killed us. The health breakthroughs started in the late 90's. Polio was about when I was a child.

I say this on every thread, but malaria kills more people, tetanus does, no-one stops living for them, they take precautions. I've been in hospital a lot, worked in health care and end of life. Until this, most of us ignored our risk of death. Looking at it statistically, for those under 65, or 75 if in good health, the risk is tiny.

I've had it, it was similar to a chest infection, but nowhere near as bad as I've had in the past. It was like a bad flu for my DD. My Nigerian friend didn't know she had it, she took part in a study and that's how she's found out that she's had it. A lot of her African friends have had it, all mildly and most have risk factors.

Destroyedpeople · 19/07/2020 13:16

Anyway I am fairly convinced I had it last October when my son turned up from London in a foul mood coughing everywhere. ...
My daughter and i both got ill ..she felt so bad that she cried and she is as tough as old boots normally.
In fact between Sept and Xmas I had about three chest infection. .rattling breathing the lot.
Since the declaration of covid19 being a 'thing' I have never been better.
That's why.
And as ppp have said...living like this isn't really living.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 19/07/2020 13:24

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair

How dare you suggest that someone who just wants to be afforded their legal right of safety at work should find another job if they aren't prepared to sacrifice themselves?

I can feel the anger coming from your post but I find it disproportionate. I care about teachers working in a safe environment but honestly, teachers are not being asked to 'sacrifice themselves.' That is unnecessary exaggeration. The vast majority of teachers, if they do get the virus, will be absolutely fine. Because this is a virus which mostly kills the very frail and elderly.

Yes, someone might be incredibly unlucky and feel very ill with it or even, at worst, pass away and I am sure most of society cares very much indeed about the few individuals who are that unlucky. But a tiny minority of people are actually at risk of that happening and that kind of death wouldn't be dissimilar to a teacher being killed driving to work or by a freak accident where a roof collapses at school and kills them, or a child bringing in another virus which they pass on.

Life involves risk. Other accidents happen at school, other, sometimes serious, illnesses are spread at school. No one is being asked to enter the trenches! I'm very glad there are many teachers who get that.

And we have health and safety legislation and risk assessments in order to predict and minimise risk wherever possible.

Why are other employees being given various forms of protection and it's only teachers who aren't? Your same arguments could be applied to everyone so why single out teachers? Do you think everyone should work without PPE or social distancing because the they face greater risk driving to work?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 19/07/2020 13:29

So I'll take my chances, just like when I have travelling to parts of Africa and during the Aids crisis in the 80's. My age group, 50+ have been here before. Cancer, HIV, infections, flu, heart/lung disease childbirth etc etc could have killed us. The health breakthroughs started in the late 90's. Polio was about when I was a child.

Are you talking about in the UK?

I'm 50 and had vaccine against polio when I was a young child. I was 17ish when HIV education started - we all took precautions against it, we didn't have a "devil may care" attitude. As for cancer, childbirth etc - how's that comparable to an infectious disease for which there's no treatment and no vaccination and how are they peculiar to the over 50s?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 19/07/2020 13:32

i don't think anyone 'doesn't care' about catching Covid. It's just that some people (I am one of them) believes that the evidence suggests they won't catch it, and even if they do, the chances are it won't be that serious.

I'm not a 'denier'. There is no doubt that covid is real and that many people have suffered as a result of it. However, I believe that more long term damage is being done to the mental and physical health of many more people as a result of our reaction to it.

crosseyedMary · 19/07/2020 13:39

I think it partly comes down to how much it 'costs' you to care about catching it
I enjoy a solitary and introverted life and so my default setting is to avoid situations where there is a risk of transmission, I can 'afford' to go full on virus avoider because doing so involves very almost no personal inconvenience or loss
(in fact it looks like a very convenient way to get out of doing things I don't want to do 👀)

LyndaLaHughes · 19/07/2020 13:43

[quote Ponoka7]@LyndaLaHughes, in which countries was there a spike from schools? Every report that I read said that spikes came from factories and the schools wete then closed because of another lock down. But the school pupils and Staff tested negative.

OP, I'm in the shielding category but haven't been because without me providing childcare, my DD would lose her house. I've been seriously ill. I've had to sign forms in hospital to say who I wanted informing if I died overnight. Then my mobility was poor and I was housebound. I don't want to live like that, it wasn't a life. So I'll take my chances, just like when I have travelling to parts of Africa and during the Aids crisis in the 80's. My age group, 50+ have been here before. Cancer, HIV, infections, flu, heart/lung disease childbirth etc etc could have killed us. The health breakthroughs started in the late 90's. Polio was about when I was a child.

I say this on every thread, but malaria kills more people, tetanus does, no-one stops living for them, they take precautions. I've been in hospital a lot, worked in health care and end of life. Until this, most of us ignored our risk of death. Looking at it statistically, for those under 65, or 75 if in good health, the risk is tiny.

I've had it, it was similar to a chest infection, but nowhere near as bad as I've had in the past. It was like a bad flu for my DD. My Nigerian friend didn't know she had it, she took part in a study and that's how she's found out that she's had it. A lot of her African friends have had it, all mildly and most have risk factors.[/quote]
Israel for one. Also South Korea are reporting issues with schools themselves other than that related to the warehouse issues previously reported. Plus there is much emerging evidence disproving the believe that children don't spread it. It was in my school in March- as confirmed by antibody tests and the children were dropping like flies. The number of staff and children with symptoms was very high and so no one can tell me it doesn't spread in schools- it 100% did. So many children were coughing relentlessly with high temperatures. One staff member was hospitalised with a similar illness in February which we now believe was Covid as well but too early for a test. Two staff members still have no sense of taste of smell now. Others have lost it but have had it back now. So on a personal level I am not concerned- but I am concerned for others who are at risk or those children going home to their vulnerable family members. We already know of a number of children who have lost older relatives to this as did some staff members. So yes I will worry about this as the conditions in which we are being asked to return are no different to those when we closed. In fact, they are possibly worse in some sense, as parents had already removed their children either through self isolation for sickness or fear. Albeit it case numbers are lower now which is the one saving grace but that doesn't help if one case gets in. That is what we can compare to, not the past few months with social distancing and small numbers of children in school.

Pippioddstocking · 19/07/2020 13:45

I'm not scared of catching covid because I'm fit and healthy and therefore unlikely to fall foul of the most dire of complications.
I've also had to work all through the pandemic seeing patients with inadequate PPE .
If the government didn't mind putting me at risk then,when I was being coughed on by all and sundry then I don't think me going to the shops or pub is anything to fret about .
I will however avoid hugging my friends, abide by the 2m rule and wear a mask in shops as that is to protect others.

vanillandhoney · 19/07/2020 13:48

I'm not scared because I'm young, fit and have no underlying health conditions. I also think I had it in March - I had a couple of weeks of feeling breathless with a tight chest, very tired and not much taste in my mouth.

I also need to get out and live my life, and work. I'm self-employed and I've already had to close for two months thanks to COVID. I can't go without income any longer. Things are picking up, people are going back to work and my work is getting busier as each week goes by. You can't put everything on hold forever.

BakedBlossoms · 19/07/2020 13:54

It isn't that I'm not worried about catching it but I'm not worried enough to sacrifice my life for a year or more until there is a vaccine.

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