Still in shock

[KayEngel]

Is it just me? I still can't quite believe what has happened and is still going to happen for the foreseeable. I've stopped going out, not because I'm worried about getting Covid, but because the whole face mask, social distancing, queuing, booking ahead, craziness is just too upsetting.

@SheikhaPinty

There’s no point wearing lipstick anymore.

Thank God for this - it stays on until I take it off (literally 24 hours). As long as it's properly dried before you put your mask on, it's fine. One tube lasts months as you only need to put it on once a day.

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“So if I go to the supermarket where it’s a large ventilated venue where I don’t have to be in close contact with people I have to wear a mask, but when I go back to work in September I have to be in small, non-ventilated classrooms with up to 180 different pupils a day without a mask and that’s ok?!”
If someone catches it in the school, he will hear about it, and know if he has to self-isolate.
If someone catches it in the supermarket, he will not.
Makes sense to at least attempt to be more careful in a place where you are with total strangers and can't track and trace, doesn't it?

The issue with this is that you are more likely to catch it if you are in close contact for longer than 15 minutes. At the supermarket you won't be ( bar other staff but you can be socially distant) but in a classroom you will. I do not work in the school btw but I can see the distinction.

If someone catches it in the school, he will hear about it, and know if he has to self-isolate. If someone catches it in the supermarket, he will not.

So basically it doesn’t matter if teachers get it because at least they will know about it and a potential source can be tracked. I’m sure a lot of teachers will be reassured to hear how little the initial protection of their health matters.

This is a study done where I live, where schools have been open for a while now:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/german-study-covid-19-infection-rate-schools-saxony
Initial findings suggest that infection rates are not that high in schools.
However, it has to be said that the school system is a bit different here; children stay together as a class group more, so smaller bubbles can be created.

If someone catches it in the school, he will hear about it, and know if he has to self-isolate.

Exactly... The whole point about limiting the potential for strangers passing it to each other is to prevent uncontrolled spread, and therefore manage it so we can interact more normally around people we know, whether family, friends, colleagues or school pupils. The Government are bringing this in to help things get back more to normal rather than prevent it. They want us going to our offices again and emerging from our cocoons... This won’t happen if we all think it’s “all over” and we’re locked back down again by September to allow the children to return to school. This isn’t conjecture... Florida and Texas show exactly what happens when we act as though Covid we’re history.

So basically it doesn’t matter if teachers get it because at least they will know about it and a potential source can be tracked. I’m sure a lot of teachers will be reassured to hear how little the initial protection of their health matters.

Maybe teachers should wear visors?

So basically it doesn’t matter if teachers get it because at least they will know about it and a potential source can be tracked.
So when a child has it, that source of infection will be quickly stifled as people will have to self-isolate, and the teacher will hopefully be safe, or at least warned and able to look out for symptoms, unlike if someone catches it at the supermarket. (Presuming that the UK is going to actually take sensible action of that kind. From the fuss about masks, and the length of time it takes for any protective measures to be introduced, probably not!)

The issue with this is that you are more likely to catch it if you are in close contact for longer than 15 minutes. At the supermarket you won't be ( bar other staff but you can be socially distant) but in a classroom you will. I do not work in the school btw but I can see the distinction.

Yes, this is more about driving cultural change whilst we have low infection numbers so we can manage it better when numbers rise in autumn and to stop complacency - which has been steadily growing - putting us back to square one.

Teachers have been told not to wear PPI. I wonder if this will change now it is mandatory in shops.

If it’s still mandatory in Scotland in August it’ll be interesting to see what is set for teachers

So when a child has it, that source of infection will be quickly stifled as people will have to self-isolate, and the teacher will hopefully be safe, or at least warned and able to look out for symptoms, unlike if someone catches it at the supermarket.

By the time the child is sick enough to warrant a test they’ve probably been spreading the virus for the last 48 hours. How does being able to look out for symptoms mean teachers can’t contract it in the first place?!

Not just teachers but also secondary pupils imo. Risk for primary teachers and pupils is much lower because they are in class bubbles.

Whole year bubbles are meaningless, just a phrase in place to sound like something to parents but actually meaningless. If 240 pupil year group bubbles are fine, then primaries can be in a whole school bubble up to the same size.

Lots of secondary schools in Europe require masks.

@Derbygerbil

So basically it doesn’t matter if teachers get it because at least they will know about it and a potential source can be tracked. I’m sure a lot of teachers will be reassured to hear how little the initial protection of their health matters.

Maybe teachers should wear visors?

The pupils in secondary should be wearing masks imo.

@Blobby10 there are bursaries for maths teacher trainees from September if your son fancies teaching.

The pupils in secondary should be wearing masks imo.

Absolutely.

In secondary school the children all have different classes with different pupils and with different teachers.

A teacher does not just have the same class all day every day and pupils are not with the same pupils and same teachers everyday.

How on earth can the virus be contained when there is so much movement?

Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of children all brushing past each other in the corridors, talking and shouting to each other etc so there’s no way the virus can be contained unless PPE is used to keep students and teachers safe.

There are no “bubbles” so nobody is protected.

I would rather everyone wore masks and just got used to it than behaving as though the virus doesn’t exist because they are bored with it, which is what a lot of people are doing.

How does being able to look out for symptoms mean teachers can’t contract it in the first place?!
I wasn't arguing against mask wearing in schools. I was arguing for mask wearing in supermarkets, and pointing out that there are different reasons for needing protection in each place.

@Saturatedfattyacid thank you for that info - I don't think he's cut out to be a teacher and has had his heart set on working in the City for the past 10 years or so but I will certainly pass the information on - it's coming to the point when he's got to consider everything!! He's workjed so very hard both in 6th form and then Uni to come out with a 1st and now feels its all been for nothing - "I may as well have stayed at home and got a job in Tesco for all the good further and higher education have done me". Its heartbreaking to hear that said, through his tears, over the phone when he's 100 miles away and I can't cuddle him better

Blobby that is so hard it’s an awful time for recent graduates. I really feel for them.

It's a slippery slope to other loses of freedom.

Blobby He's been hunting for a year, with a 1st in maths ?

That's shocking - one would expect him to be very employable
and presumably the next several months will be even tougher

Has he tried for jobs other than in the City ?
It maybe with Brexit etc and some firms relocating that job vacancies there went down

"slippery slope"

I don't see how mask-wearing benefits any government, especially repressive ones

• governments normally want to ban masks, especially for demonstrators.

Banks, shops etc normally ban them for obvious reasons !

imo, masks in the West will be banned again as soon as public health allows

blobby has he thought about doing further training? My dsis has a Maths degree and couldn't find work. Did a masters in Computer science and found a job really easily.

I always hated the word Mandatory at work and when I retired was so relieved there would be no more Mandatory stuff going on. Ha!
Well I will wear the mask as I did for my weekly shopping last week which incidentally takes at least an hour as its so much more intense when you know you have to make decisions on the spot, cannot turn back and have to get everything in one trip. But it takes away all the opportunites for casual shopping - say a day in the city wandering round the gardens then a bit of shopping, because you cannot put the mask on with possibly contaminated hands, it would have to be worn when leaving the house as it would be worn on the bus into the city. I imagine by the time I got there I'd be well ready to take it off. So a walk in the gardens or the old town, wearing the mask for the journey home and no shopping. Or faffing with hand san and worrying about not doing it right, dropping the bottle etc. Realistically I wont be bothering.
Young people may well find the hassle worthwhile but being older and conscious of being not far off the vulnerable due to age category, I feel I can’t ignore the warnings as I once would have, if this had happened 30-40 years ago. I know its just how things are now, no use in complaining, but