Asking too much of teachers?

[DomDoesWotHeWants]

It's looking like masks are going to be a requirement in shops and possibly other indoor venues.

Yet teachers are expected to teach - for hours at a time - in confined, poorly ventilated spaces, with no social distancing. They have been told they do not need PPE. If I was still teaching there is no way I'd go into a room crowded with teenagers and not wear a mask at the moment.

Teachers should be allowed as much protection as possible not thrown under a corona bus because Johnson wants them for child care so their parents can go back to work.

I really can't understand why it's going to be compulsory in shops where meetings are fleeting but not in schools which are crowded and have people crammed in for hours.

Does the right of children to go back to school over rule the rights of of school staff (teaching and ancillary) to be as protected as possible?

This means they should be allowed to wear PPE, if they choose, and secondary children should be wearing masks as happens in some other countries. In some countries younger children also have to wear masks in school.

The safety of teachers has been ignored by Johnson and his chums in their urge to get people back to work and the cry of "back to normal" is taken up by those ignorant of the facts about the virus.

Teachers have been made out to be the bad guys almost from the beginning - as can be seen from many bile infested threads on here. They deserve better.

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In my experience both callmeangelina and noble are too polite to say this, so I will happily do it on their behalf - fuck off somewhere very far away with your goady shite and when you arrive have a look at yourself in the mirror and fuck off twice as far.

freddie
are you cleaning toilets in your EY setting?

@OverTheRainbow88

I came back on here to reread what I wrote yesterday and to see if I was, in hindsight, being unreasonable.

What I’ve realised Is that @CallmeAngelina and @noblegiraffe are just on here to not listen to any reasonable suggestions, and to try to cause arguments.

I suggest you put that much effort into your teaching work, you could have marked a whole class set of books the amount of time you have spent on here

Both those posters have been on here for years. They are not trying to cause arguments unlike several posters on this thread.

They are merely vocal in highlighting the measures that many many teachers would like to see in their workplace.

to see if I was, in hindsight, being unreasonable.
Yes, you were. And are.

What I’ve realised Is that @CallmeAngelina and @noblegiraffe are just on here to not listen to any reasonable suggestions, and to try to cause arguments.
No, we are defending our profession against deliberate attacks by people who are either too dim, or too obstinate in their determination to vilify us.
All my marking is done. Why not go and criticise someone who has not done any, due to their SLT instructing them not to. As you very well know, the reference I made to marking was to illustrate the disparity in what different schools are undertaking.

I am a teacher. I have no issues with going back - I want to get back to the classroom, I have really not enjoyed teaching via teams.

My issue I think is that the government have put this guidance in place without really thinking through the practicalities (shock). In my school we as teachers are moving rooms and students are not moving around as much, we have changed some setting so students are streamed instead of setted for individual subjects and there is a slightly different break time for some year groups. All to keep the 'year group bubbles'. But they will get school buses with people from other years, all have lunch at the same time, have siblings in other years, be taught by teachers who teach lots of other years etc...

The guidelines seem to make my job logistically difficult (6 different rooms in one day) and do not cut down the risks to staff (I'll be seeing approx 280 students a week according to my timetable, across 6 year groups). For, in my opinion, a tiny (if any) reduction in risk for students.

Instead of producing lots of unworkable guidance I would have liked the government to have given the funding for more cleaners, hand washing facilities and advised schools to allow staff and students to wear masks if they wished.

@OverTheRainbow88

I came back on here to reread what I wrote yesterday and to see if I was, in hindsight, being unreasonable.

What I’ve realised Is that @CallmeAngelina and @noblegiraffe are just on here to not listen to any reasonable suggestions, and to try to cause arguments.

I suggest you put that much effort into your teaching work, you could have marked a whole class set of books the amount of time you have spent on here

Please show any teacher who is posting on this thread where exactly these 'reasonable suggestions' are. We would love to see them.

What you actually mean by 'reasonable suggestion' is some pie in the sky idea that couldn't even begin to fit in with the workings of the average school where it will be our responsibility, as teachers, to not only keep ourselves safe but also your children so that they don't walk that virus right back out into our communities, through the shops, doctor's waiting rooms, on public transport, to their grandma's front rooms, and right into their home.

that's good to hear that teachers are helping out too as a few on here are saying they categorically will NOT be doing so.

Jesus, I despair of some people's reading skills. Or maybe they are just choosing to misinterpret.
To re-iterate, THIS is what I actually wrote: "I clean tables, computers, light switches, door handles, you name it."
"I will NOT clean toilets."

Both those posters have been on here for years.

And I, for one, am back in school full hours (not today, however, before anyone gleefully leaps on that, although I am actually using this afternoon to finish off reports), providing the very service that some of you have been screaming for over the last few weeks.

@ peasaregood

Oh yes and the rest, Including mopping floors and sinks.

freddie
me too.
Hard work, isn't it but if we don't all help out then the country can't get back on its feet again, can it.

Lots of teachers are saying they will not be cleaning toilets.
I was pointing out that many other professions are having to do just that.

So, once more for luck peasaregood.

Are you saying accountants, chefs, zookeepers and doctors are doing this?

you're very aggressive, aren't you?
Because I'm calling you out for your passive aggressive attacks on my profession?
Call it what you like. I am perfectly calm and quite passive in "real-life," but then I don't mix with wind-up merchants ordinarily.

I was pointing out that many other professions are having to do just that

Please name me one profession where there is an expectation that they clean the toilet several times a day after potentially several hundred people have used it - more than once - whilst also doing their own job and not have their usual breaks and if my SLT is anything to go by, not actually have had anyone consider how they might get 2 minutes in the toilet themselves?!

Are doctors cleaning toilets? Nurses? Architects? Social Workers? Estate Agents? Lawyers? Accountants?

Is there an expectation that all these people do this with their own cleaning products purchased from their own money? (Because there is no extra money for cleaning in schools) And that they clean without any form of PPE as this isn't necessary in schools (but is necessary, apparently, in all office environments)?

I don’t know of any of my friends or family working in professional jobs who are being asked to clean toilets on their return.

for goodness sake onion
I know that accountants and chefs are.
Hospital doctors I don't know about but I do know hospitals have employed more cleaners and so patient facing staff will probably be last on the list to help out.
GP's i know ARE cleaning ( yes, including toilets: as I know you're weirdly obsessed with that).
Zookeepers I will confess i don't know precisely what proportion are doing general cleaning and what proportion are cleaning toilets.
Would you like me to try to find out or do you have enough toilet cleaning information for now?

Careful, Lostmyshit, or you'll be accused of being aggressive!

Accounts are cleaning toilets? Not where my friend works they aren't.

Chefs normally clean their kitchens. Why are they now cleaning toilets?

Hospitals have been given money. Schools haven't.

@peasaregood

freddie me too. Hard work, isn't it but if we don't all help out then the country can't get back on its feet again, can it.

I don’t disagree, but I genuinely don’t believe we are all helping out. My borough are sitting on thousand and thousand of EY underspend, they could help share the cost of my loss of revenue, or the endless cleaning supplies. There has been no support from them what so ever.

FWIW my staff are allowed to wear mask, although this is likely to change to visors.

Chefs normally clean their kitchens. Why are they now cleaning toilets
there's a bit of a nasty bug going round so more cleaning than usual is being done.
If you have a look on the BBC main site you may find something about this virus in a small article somewhere

I work in a big office we’re wiping down phones and stuff but nobody has suggested we clean toilets or kitchens or anything. No way are many places getting employees to do that.

I carry my own anti-bac wipes and clean the staff loo before and after using it though.

carlotta
don't you normally clean the kitchen area as you go along?

We employ a lot of accountants btw although I’m not one of them.

@CarlottaValdez

I work in a big office we’re wiping down phones and stuff but nobody has suggested we clean toilets or kitchens or anything. No way are many places getting employees to do that.

I agree. Extra cleaning of surfaces such as desks and phones is totally reasonable. However there is no way that most businesses are asking their staff to clean toilets.