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No 10 wants people to lose weight before the second wave

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Redolent · 11/07/2020 09:45

What could possibly go wrong with encouraging people to go on a quick crash diet??

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As well as longer-term proposals to reduce the incidence of obesity, government officials are having urgent discussions about how to persuade people to lose weight in the next few months, before an anticipated resurgence in coronavirus cases in the autumn.

In England, 64% of adults are classed as overweight or obese and 29% as obese as measured by BMI, among the highest levels in Europe.

One official involved in the emergency planning said the government was alarmed at the possible death toll from a second wave. A programme is expected imminently, possibly within 10 days, based on encouraging people to reduce their calorific intake and lose weight rapidly.

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UltimateWednesday · 11/07/2020 12:31

Why is everyone so all or nothing?

They're not saying the only thing we or they need to do is to lose weight, but it makes sense that it will help where it's possible.

SimonJT · 11/07/2020 12:32

Nutrition education is really poor in the UK, large diet businesses (like slimming world) also promote very poor diets. On slimming world people are taught that certain foods are syns and that they can essentially eat unlimited carbs.

Even the NHS isn’t much better, I have type one diabetes and despite it being very well controlled at review I am always told to increase my carb content (by the over weight diabetes clinic nurse) which will in turn increase by blood sugars and put me at higher risk of diabetic complications.

Support for eating disorders is crap, I’ve had bulimia since my late teams, despite me actually seeking help and it being identified by the diabetes service it took almost five years to actually get any help. Before then I was sometimes told to only use my insulin if I wasn’t going to purge a meal. For me it took going private to get adequate support and I was finally discharged from the ED service just before christmas, I’ll still have blips I had one a few weeks ago. But the treatment I received enables me to manage those and get them under control quickly.

Our parents can also have a really negative influence on us, people forced to finish meals as children have greater difficulties in managing their appetite as adults. My son is adopted, as a baby he was malnourished so he doesn’t consciously remember being hungry, but I can’t put food in the bin as when I’m not looking he will eat it, he has to be watched like a hawk at school as he will eat out of the bin, pick food of the floor etc, which has an additional worry as he has a dairy allergy. Despite my best efforts in feeding him a healthy balanced diet with no pressure to finish meals etc he is unlikely to grow up and experience a healthy relationship with food.

Some people don’t have adequate cooking facilities and adequate education/confidence in their kitchen. Fresh ingredients are expensive, getting your five a day isn’t cheap. Then there is the issue if you’re on a low income you can’t afford to waste food on money your children may not eat.

I personally don’t eat meat or dairy, but I have a varied homecooked diet and always get my five a day and usually more. But my food bill is high, I save money where I can so peas, broad beans, green beans and soya beans are bought frozen, but I find any other veg disgusting when its frozen.

For me calories in v calories out is easy because I can cook, I have money for food and I know what a balanced meal looks like. For others it is really hard.

We need a huge shake up of PE provision in schools, food education and the food provided in nursery, primary school and secondary school. If my son ate school dinners he would get one portion of veg per week over five school meals, the rest is almost all carbs.

MarcelineMissouri · 11/07/2020 12:33

@UltimateWednesday

Why is everyone so all or nothing?

They're not saying the only thing we or they need to do is to lose weight, but it makes sense that it will help where it's possible.

Quite!
FizzFan · 11/07/2020 12:34

I joined the gym before lockdown and now can’t bloody go. But I can go for a McDonald’s. Shows where despite the lip service the government’s priorities lie.

I’m glad I live in Scotland where for all their faults the leadership don’t seem resigned to a second wave at the same time they are doing fuck all to prevent it and indeed are acting as if the whole thing is over.

MorrisZapp · 11/07/2020 12:36

Eating less doesn't mean go on a crash diet, it just means eating less. If the government dared to endorse a 'diet sheet' then the Internet would melt down with the ensuing battles around fat, carbs, sugar etc.

I lost two stone last year by cutting out most of the snacks I had been eating, and cutting down my evening meal. It wasn't a crash diet, it took months. Of course eating less works.

It's crazy that people think Boris Johnson is a) somehow responsible for people being overweight and b) has the capacity to provide a mythical solution to people who have so far lacked the will power to eat less.

He was obese when he was admitted to hospital, and made multiple references to that fact himself. You can loathe him for any reason you like but on this issue he isn't a hypocrite.

CrowdedHouseinQuarantine · 11/07/2020 12:37

nobody has to go to macdonalds

FizzFan · 11/07/2020 12:38

Our parents can also have a really negative influence on us, people forced to finish meals as children have greater difficulties in managing their appetite as adults

Yep. My mum, although not as big as me, has been on diets my whole life. When my sister and I were living at home I always got bigger portions as I was older. Fine where we were 7 and 4, less so at 18 and 15. The first thing she will tell you about people she knows or meets is how fat or thin they are. And I always had to finish my meals, which were much bigger than my sister’s. Is it any wonder I ended up with a fucked up attitude

MorrisZapp · 11/07/2020 12:38

I go to McDonalds once a year. Outdoors exists, so I can walk and run all I want without needing a gym, much as I miss it.

billybogeye · 11/07/2020 12:40

This is great.

I think once we've got everyone muzzled there'll be a space for a new bandwagon to jump on and the next thing to judge people for. I think we can turn to pointing at the fat people as tbh if they end up in hospital its there own fault and they shouldn't be taking resources from the virtuous. Might start a Twitter# to get it going. #Losethe"fucking"weight maybe

dairyfairies · 11/07/2020 12:42

dairy but obesity is caused by disordered eating... So, an eating disorder.

I think it is a very wide stretch and quite dismissive to those with genuine eating disorders to suggest that everyone who is obese because the eat too much or the wrong sort of food has an eating disorder.

LilBlackLab · 11/07/2020 12:43

There were Long queues All around our retail park when KFC opened.....totally ridiculous the town was nearly gridlocked with the traffic. For what? Shit food

FizzFan · 11/07/2020 12:44

Well done @MorrisZapp! I’m sure your medal for being such a perfect person is in the post.

profpoopsnagle · 11/07/2020 12:45

[quote shinynewapple2020]@profpoopsnagle you don't need a gym to be open for all-over exercise. There are hundreds of classes you can follow online at home. You can purchase a set of weights and toning bands, go running, ride a bike.

For those looking to assistance with losing weight from the government- not sure what you are expecting but 12 week free membership to slimming world or weight watchers has been available through GPs for years. [/quote]
Absolutely agreed shiny that all over exercise is possible for many away from pools and gyms. But the swimming pool offers better exercise for those whose knees and bodies might need some support- e.g. more eldery people, pregnant ladies. And not everyone has access or fast access to the internet, or the room to exercise and store larger types of exercise equipment at home.

Rhine · 11/07/2020 12:45

@catbellz

I wonder how they plan to help with this?

Stop expecting the government to prop you up at every turn. Eat less, move more and take responsibility for yourself Ffs! The world does not owe you a fucking diet plan.
I'm no Boris fan at all but all he's done is point out things you can do to help yourself get over it faster if it happens to you.

Yes!!!!

Thank you for saying what I’ve been thinking! It’s common sense to start taking our hell and wellbeing serious now. The healthier and fitter we are the better our chances of fighting the virus.

FizzFan · 11/07/2020 12:46

Boris Johnson is still obese. He looks exactly the fucking same as before he was ill. And he didn’t “nearly die” either given he wasn’t on a ventilator

SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun · 11/07/2020 12:46

@CrowdedHouseinQuarantine

you also dont need your park runs, those doing that are fit and slim anyway!

run on your own for pity sake

Lots of people do parkruns who are neither slim not fit including me. (although hopefully they will be getting fitter as a result). That’s what is so great about them: they are so inclusive. It is so much more motivating the run with other people. Also so much more motivating to go to a slimming group. I know we can do threes things on our own but why not make it easier and more fun?
Northernsoullover · 11/07/2020 12:46

I wouldn't say I have an eating disorder. I'm just eating too many chocolate bars. As for the gyms not being open of course the gym helps but its the overeating I need to work on.
My fitbit tells me that my short runs use 228 calories. Three digestive biscuits and thats those 'spare' calories gone.

princesshollysmagicalwand · 11/07/2020 12:47

I think people (as usual!) need to apply common sense. If you're overweight then your chances of a good outcome with COVID are not as good. It's not rocket science.

You don't really to crash diet to lose weight. And really, everyone can lose weight bar a tiny handful of people with medical conditions.

And I say that as someone with PCOS who doesn't lose weight anywhere near as quickly or easily as people who don't have it and who a month ago was 4 stone overweight. I've calorie counted using MFP and have been taking Alli and I've lost over a stone in four weeks. No starving, no extreme diets just sensible portions of decent food. I even have a small glass of wine at the weekend still. Just not three. I will continue until I'm back at my healthy weight then maintain.

Why? Well yes the thought of catching covid while being so fat has scared me. Also generally it's bad for my health, I'm a parent of two small children and I don't want to have a heart attack at fifty all because I stuffed my face for too long. Also I look like crap, I'm only 5'4 and small framed. I look like a weeble. It's not good for self esteem or confidence. For me, big is not beautiful!

People need to take responsibility for their own health you shouldn't need the government to tell you what to do!

LilBlackLab · 11/07/2020 12:47

I don’t think disordered eating is half the problem, it’s the junk food imo

Even a coffee these days seems to have syrups and toppings added

Cinemas offer a full on meal at the kiosk

Can’t we do anything anymore without eating sugar? And calling things ‘a treat’ All the time

FizzFan · 11/07/2020 12:48

What’s a “genuine” eating disorder in your book @dairyfairies?

princesshollysmagicalwand · 11/07/2020 12:49

Oh and also, I can't exercise except for walking and swimming (no pools currently) because I'm waiting on an operation for a prolapse. No impact, and no lifting. So all I can do is walk. No gyms is no excuse. I make myself walk 15000-18000 steps a day. It's working, the weight is coming off.

dairyfairies · 11/07/2020 12:51

Fizz, have a Google - there is loads of information out there. However, being obese because of too much deep fried shit is is most cases not the cause of a clinical eating disorder. But I bet you know that.

YangShanPo · 11/07/2020 12:52

Is this the same government that is giving everyone in the country a £10 restaurant voucher?

SparkLee · 11/07/2020 12:52

dairy fair enough, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I think its very dismissive saying that most people are obese because of lifestyle choice and not because of medical conditions,which mental health falls under. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

MorrisZapp · 11/07/2020 12:53

@FizzFan

Well done *@MorrisZapp*! I’m sure your medal for being such a perfect person is in the post.
Thanks Fizz, I do have a few medals from various runs I've done but the weight loss reward is the smaller sized jeans!

I know you're being sarcastic. Fair enough, I'm not remotely perfect and I'm a crap cook so I just eat those cartons of fresh soup you get in supermarkets. Tip and heat.

Sometimes I eat a big filthy meal out with all the trimmings. Mostly I don't.

If you honestly think that losing weight is about being a perfect person then you'll never even attempt it. That's your business of course but I know loads of people who genuinely do want to lose weight and are willing to try, I put it off for so many years and now I wish I'd done it sooner.