high cases in the US may be a good thing ........ despite the hysteria

[ACautionaryTale]

The US has been having ever rising cases every day. 40-50K a day for the last week or so but even before that, 30K+

Yet, the deaths are lower - very low as a % in fact.

One theory is that those who are vulnerable are avoiding the hotspots and avoiding catching it.

If this continues, then it goes to show what many have been saying for a long time... if you are not in a vulnerable group, the death rate is no worse than flu.

Which does back up what I and I know many people have said all along - shield the vulnerable and let the rest get herd immunity by catching it.

Im on a fb group of 6.7 thousand and counting due to recent media coverage of long term covid sufferers.
Some are young, kids, right up to older people.
Many were fit marathon runners.
The virus for these people has triggered everything from thyroids packing up, diabetes, lupus, heart problems, gall bladder removal, strokes, severe tinnitus, vision loss.
It can and does attack every part of a previous healthy body.
Many of us are unable to work leave our beds or function. There are between 1 in 10 to 20 of us with severe enough symptoms to impair normal functioning life. Some are close to suicide with living in pain.
Not to mention its a new virus so the long term affects are unknown.
Just dont underestimate this virus.

Deaths are trending up again in the USA. No surprise given hospital admissions have spiked too these past few weeks. This is definitely not just a product of more testing.

Ok. Currently there are 3 million people in the US with corona diagnosed. Public health officials say the actual number is probably more like 30 million (just under 10% of population). In a couple of weeks from now we can expect around 150,000 deaths reflecting the current 30 million cases. To get herd immunity if it is even possible then they will need to have another 60% of their population infected (180 million) which will lead to another 750,000 deaths. If in fact less than 30million already have it then it will be even worse. Assuming all the people that needed it could get healthcare which won't happen because a) they are running out of beds and b) its America
Sounds like a great plan...

Deaths are going up slightly now, but they are nowhere near proportional to the rise in cases thats been going on for weeks now, and no where near the levels of new york at their peak, despite the number of daily infections in a few states being similar. For example, when New york was seeing 10k cases per day, the deaths were around 1000 per day. Florida has had several 10k days but haven't seen 100 deaths in a day since April. It doesnt seem to the same as new yorks terrible outbreak.

Cases have been going up for well over a month now and deaths are just not getting anywhere near those levels... I Do think maybe they either have a weaker strain over their or the virus itself is weakening as it's infects more people.

Treatments are improving also

Well I certainly hope deaths don't go up in the USA. But I think the problem with the OP's theory is how do vulnerable people isolate? Most vulnerable people live with others.

And I haven't a clue why it happens, but if you flick through the countries on this webpage, covid19.healthdata.org/mexico you will see that the countries where the virus was allowed more freedom of movement have a very sharp upward curve followed by a sharp downward curve, so for some reason it seems to have burnt out in some places.

Unfortunately very few countries have the health facilities that can attend those high peaks though.

@Forgone90

Cases have been going up for well over a month now and deaths are just not getting anywhere near those levels... I Do think maybe they either have a weaker strain over their or the virus itself is weakening as it's infects more people

That would be amazing if it were the case, but the obvious reasons for the lower death rate are:

a) the average age of those getting CV is a lot lower than it was back in March/April; older people have remained cautious socially in a way they weren’t earlier in the year;

b) Treatment is improving. Back in March we didn’t have much of a clue and many interventions, such as ventilation, weren’t very effective.

@MarcelineMissouri

I do think there is something to be said for this as a theory. We can’t close the world down forever. As a healthy 40 year old I’m willing to take my own personal chances, still maintaining some social distancing and happy to wear a mask, but other than that I would like to be able to get on with life. I imagine a lot of people feel the same.

I do just want to add that Donald is doing the absolute shittest job possible as Potus leading through this though. Just support mask wearing you utter fool.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the death rate in the US over the next few weeks as I think the lag can be 3-5 weeks from case to death to reporting. Fingers crossed....

I agree. We should have our normal lives back now

@Mintypylonsfryingsurplus

Im on a fb group of 6.7 thousand and counting due to recent media coverage of long term covid sufferers. Some are young, kids, right up to older people. Many were fit marathon runners. The virus for these people has triggered everything from thyroids packing up, diabetes, lupus, heart problems, gall bladder removal, strokes, severe tinnitus, vision loss. It can and does attack every part of a previous healthy body. Many of us are unable to work leave our beds or function. There are between 1 in 10 to 20 of us with severe enough symptoms to impair normal functioning life. Some are close to suicide with living in pain. Not to mention its a new virus so the long term affects are unknown. Just dont underestimate this virus.

I'm a bit sceptical about this. I think so called crippled by covid will be the new fashion illness. No doubt with associated rise in claims for pip and pleas of incapacity for work

And I haven't a clue why it happens, but if you flick through the countries on this webpage, covid19.healthdata.org/mexico you will see that the countries where the virus was allowed more freedom of movement have a very sharp upward curve followed by a sharp downward curve, so for some reason it seems to have burnt out in some places.

I can’t see that trend for Mexico as a whole,
though I haven’t looked a regions. Daily deaths have broadly stabilised. Also, where numbers do drop, as they have in most places, I’m not sure how we can conclude that this is due to “herd immunity” rather than changes in social behaviour without evidence of very widespread infection.

@EnlightenedOwl

Of course you’re sceptical. You decided long ago that CV was no more than a bit of a cold, and retro-fit any evidence to fit your pre-conceived conclusion to justify your grievance with the world that all’s not as you want it to be.

[quote Derbygerbil]@EnlightenedOwl

Of course you’re sceptical. You decided long ago that CV was no more than a bit of a cold, and retro-fit any evidence to fit your pre-conceived conclusion to justify your grievance with the world that all’s not as you want it to be.[/quote]
We'll see. covid long haul plus covid hysteria/ fear are the next big hurdles to clear I think.

I read an article that said that the infection fatality rate (IFR) for CV for those under 70 was 0.04% and that the was same as the flu..... But my understanding is that 0.04% is the approx IFR (It varies by season) for the flu across all ages, with the rate for those under 70 for flu presumably being a lot lower again. I know 0.1% is bandied about as the IFR for flu but that appears to be a rounded figure and only approached in the very worst seasonal outbreaks.

I'm a bit sceptical about this. I think so called crippled by covid will be the new fashion illness

And what is your evidence, both scientific and epidemiological, for that, @EnlightenedOwl?

@EnlightenedOwl I find that highly offensive that you belittle and blanket accuse THOUSANDS of people's debilitating ongoing health crisis as 'fashion illness'
There are now reports coming from third world and all our affected glibal countries of ongoing illness.
These people clearly not after 'pip' or government support as it clearly doesnt exist.
Many key workers are also affected, unable to work at the moment. I am sure they are absolutely thrilled to have their careers under threat, so they can go onto PIP.
Your ignorance is outstanding I really hope you do not end up a statistic of a 'trendy' illness. Although it might kerb your vile agenda.
I would battle with you but dont have the energy to pay any more attention to your drivel you sad self styled Katie Hopkins wannabee

[quote Mintypylonsfryingsurplus]@EnlightenedOwl I find that highly offensive that you belittle and blanket accuse THOUSANDS of people's debilitating ongoing health crisis as 'fashion illness'
There are now reports coming from third world and all our affected glibal countries of ongoing illness.
These people clearly not after 'pip' or government support as it clearly doesnt exist.
Many key workers are also affected, unable to work at the moment. I am sure they are absolutely thrilled to have their careers under threat, so they can go onto PIP.
Your ignorance is outstanding I really hope you do not end up a statistic of a 'trendy' illness. Although it might kerb your vile agenda.
I would battle with you but dont have the energy to pay any more attention to your drivel you sad self styled Katie Hopkins wannabee[/quote]
Oh dear. Anger management may help?

@EnlightenedOwl

Ohhh thank you I would love to take your advice on my mental health management
I will of course investigate that as my anger clearly needs managing.
I would advise to you personality of a total twat management?
Oh and lose the 'enlightened Owl' handle you are about as 'enlightened, or owl like' as a dodo in a black hole

Dodo in a black hole
🤣🤭

Ignore EnlightenedOwl. I suspect they are posting from their mum's basement and get some weird kick out of spreading their "wisdom".

@knittingaddict

Ignore EnlightenedOwl. I suspect they are posting from their mum's basement and get some weird kick out of spreading their "wisdom".

My mum died 9 years ago six months after my dad just for clarity

Well I'm happy to show you the same compassion to you as you extend to others.

@knittingaddict

Well I'm happy to show you the same compassion to you as you extend to others.

I dont need or want your compassion

Great, we agree on something.

Enlightened owl

You should go back to chewing on your crayons and leave the intellectual conversation to the adults