high cases in the US may be a good thing ........ despite the hysteria

[ACautionaryTale]

The US has been having ever rising cases every day. 40-50K a day for the last week or so but even before that, 30K+

Yet, the deaths are lower - very low as a % in fact.

One theory is that those who are vulnerable are avoiding the hotspots and avoiding catching it.

If this continues, then it goes to show what many have been saying for a long time... if you are not in a vulnerable group, the death rate is no worse than flu.

Which does back up what I and I know many people have said all along - shield the vulnerable and let the rest get herd immunity by catching it.

[quote Bol87]@DianaT1969 - many viruses leave you poorly for a while. I was out of action for a good 3 months after flu. It floored me. And I was a very fit & healthy 27 year old at the time. Running half marathons regularly.

This is a nasty virus for some & it’ll take a good while for them to start to feel better. It’s not that unusual. It won’t last forever. And to be honest, in a global pandemic where so many are dying, feeling a bit unwell & out of breath for a few months isn’t the end of the world. I’ve just had Hyperemesis for 9 months. Felt like I might die. Vomited 30+ times a day. Numerous hospital admissions. Lost a significant amount of weight. Yet I still had to get up, look after my toddler & try to work. You just get on with.[/quote]
Yes, this! People get post viral fatigue/chronic fatigue syndrome after many viruses. If all of a sudden millions and millions all got flu or another virus all at the same time, we would likely see a similar effect. I am not minimising this, it must be awful but it isn't specific to covid. My friend got pnemonia a few years ago. It took her months to recover. As covid often causea pnemonia, it is not surprising we are seeing this.
I had hyperemisis recently too for months and had to care for my kids. Awful isnt it?

Herd immunity doesn’t appear to be a possibility, @ACautionaryTale:

www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html

Hi again @BlueBrian - nice to see you popping up on this thread too 👋🏼 Bet you are a hoot at parties with your finding one article about a TINY study of people about long term affects. 1,600 people is in no way a statistically relevant study & the average age was 53. Not that young.

As I’ve said before & above, bad viruses can make you ill for some time. It’s not unusual. We cannot possibly conclude these affects will last a lifetime. It’s been 3 months. And in all honestly, these affects are pretty minor. And something people will get over.

So bore off every frigging thread. You wana be so scared you stay indoors, go ahead.

I don’t understand people telling others to ‘bore off’ threads when they themselves are posting everywhere. Pot. Kettle.

Nor telling people to just stay home then complaining about the economic situation in the country.

[quote SparklingLime]Herd immunity doesn’t appear to be a possibility, @ACautionaryTale:

www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html[/quote]
I wonder if antibody tests are giving us a true picture though? They have proven unreliable and to miss many positives. There are people who have had positive swab tests but negative antibody tests. It is increasingly apparent that people are using TCells to fight this infection. Many scientists believe there is some element of natural immunity due to exposure to coronavirus colds. Yeah we have no idea how long immunity lasts, but I dont think antibody tests are giving us a fair reflection of what is going on like the government hoped.

THe other issue the US faces is hospital bills as well - look at Nick Cordero and how his poor widow is facing a huge bill having just lost her husband

I agree though @Bol87 @DianaT1969 I had swine flu and it took around 3 months to feel even vaguely normal and 6 months to get me back to where I was. I still get some ear popping symptoms even now

DD had the flu at 8 years old 2 years ago and the ENT effects are still here now and she needs a nasal spray

As I’ve said before & above, bad viruses can make you ill for some time. It’s not unusual. We cannot possibly conclude these affects will last a lifetime. It’s been 3 months. And in all honestly, these affects are pretty minor. And something people will get over.
I'd rather take more notice of the Guardian article than the ramblings of some complete Internet nobody like you

I’m willing to trust the Lancet commentary on the study, @Jrobhatch29.
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31482-3/fulltext

The amount of positive testing and relatively low death rate in comparison has always baffled me. I do not for one second believe the UK deaths are a result of a poor health service because it quite clearly isnt. I know we register all deaths with a positive covid test (even though it may not have been the actual cause of death and some would have died anyway regardless of covid) and we include those from all settings not just in hospital.
Does USA (and probably other countries
too) only include those who died as a direct result of Covid and possibly only hospital deaths?
Regards testing we only test people showing symptoms, does the USA test anybody and possibly getting more positive tests from those carrying it asymptomatically?

[quote SparklingLime]I’m willing to trust the Lancet commentary on the study, @Jrobhatch29.
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31482-3/fulltext[/quote]
Yeah it is a good study I have just read it. It doesn't mention T Cells though which other studies do. I was just wondering if only looking at antibodies gives a true reflection of the prevelance of the virus, given other studies have found TCells that are specific to Covid.

I don't care if flu can also give you chronic fatigue, I really really don't want to have chronic fatigue! I am not scared of dying of corona, but I would do well to avoid an illness that can cause you to be out of action for 1, 2 or even 6 months, even potentially have a stroke, or cause ongoing issues with your lungs. I'm a single parent, there's just me to drive my children around, take them for days out, work f/t to bring in the income. I can't be out of action for months. The people I know with chronic fatigue have a difficult life, made worse because everyone can't see it and isn't that sympathetic about it. No thanks! That said, I'll go back into work face to face to earn money when I have to, because, you know, money. I really don't want to get corona though if I can avoid it.

I think you're right OP. My brother is in Florida. Although positive tests have massively increased the average age of those testing positive is early 30s. Only a minority are getting ill and hospital admissions low.

Sounds lie all the recent news that young healthy people aren't recovering from mild cases of coronations, and may have life long health problems
I'd like to know what percentage they expect to have lifelong problems and what the evidence is for this. I imagine it will be a tiny minority of those that have recovered

@XiCi

I think you're right OP. My brother is in Florida. Although positive tests have massively increased the average age of those testing positive is early 30s. Only a minority are getting ill and hospital admissions low.

Sounds lie all the recent news that young healthy people aren't recovering from mild cases of coronations, and may have life long health problems
I'd like to know what percentage they expect to have lifelong problems and what the evidence is for this. I imagine it will be a tiny minority of those that have recovered

This graph demonstrates that

Survival is a pretty low bar, you are not taking into account long term health implications and disabilities resulting from Covid. We have no idea what the longer term impact on the economy and quality of life will be.

Didnt attach sorry

There is also the issue with longterm effects, such as people having lung damage months after the fact.

I feel very sorry for the vulnerable who are too scared to go out. Utter carnage.

Yet, the deaths are lower - very low as a % in fact.

They are indeed. However many states have coincidentally been struck by a terrible, terrible pneumonia epidemic with death many thousands in excess of the preceding 5 year averages. What unfortunate luck for them to have managed to avoid a high Covid death toll but to be being knocked for six by a rotten deadly pneumonia outbreak!!!!

I feel very sorry for the vulnerable who are too scared to go out. Utter carnage.

Indeed - I have a neighbour who winters in Florida and decided to stay there this summer. She lives in a condo development for older people. They haven't had any cases in the development yet, but they are literally not going anywhere. They're all just staying home and hoping none of the younger staff bring in the virus.

Having reopened, businesses are now dealing with having to close again, and also many of their workers now have coronavirus (in our hotel in Florida we have both guests and staff testing positive).

The populations being hit hardest are the low income workers who can't stay safe at home.

I'm really struggling to understand what the OP thinks is good about all of this.

Meanwhile in my northern state we have kept infections low, and have been cautiously reopening without infections spiking back up again. Our hospitals are back to doing elective procedures, our opticians and dentists are working again, and people are getting the preventative care they need for their non-Covid conditions.

Does USA (and probably other countries too) only include those who died as a direct result of Covid and possibly only hospital deaths?

No.

Regards testing we only test people showing symptoms, does the USA test anybody and possibly getting more positive tests from those carrying it asymptomatically?

Also no.

This seems to show deaths on the up in a number of states, including Texas, Tennessee and Alabama. Early days still and reporting is bumpy, just as it is here, but I think its too early to say they are going to get away with this...

graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/USA-TRENDS/dgkvlgkrkpb/

@HoldMyLobster what is the reason for the lower death:infection rate to the UK then? Both have excellent health care facilities, both have similar age, obesity and BAME demographics dont they?

There's a lot of evidence coming out now that CV is a vascular disease causing strokes, heart attacks and dementia. The actor that died recently had his leg amputated. I don't think those are the kind of issues that you get over in a few weeks. Those are life long problems and not to be taken lightly.

Excess deaths in New York as ~2.5* the excess deaths in London, the cities are the same size. People are.getting a bit silly with numbers of cases without considering the length of illness, undiagnosed excess deaths and the different risk factors in cities versus wide open fields. Wait and see, and try to follow the guidance for avoiding it.

Err OP you may be forgetting about the thousands upon thousands who ARE DYING from COVID-19.

I'm really struggling to understand what the OP thinks is good about all of this
OP sounds like a Trump supporter, we all know how learned and scientific he is