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Going to the pub

75 replies

Realitea · 04/07/2020 09:53

A friend has asked if I’ll meet at the pub soon and I just don’t feel confident about it. We’d be sitting on a picnic table which means being pretty close together albeit outside.
I know it would be good for the children to see each other again (we both have 1 each and they’ve missed each other) they’re old enough to be sensible
But I have been socially distancing for so long and it just feels a bit too soon.
I can see myself sitting right on the edge of the bench wiping down my glass with an antibacterial wipe!
What are other people’s thoughts on this?

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RichardMarxisinnocent · 04/07/2020 16:43

@NothingIsWrong

We are in a group of 4. Two couples. Three other sets of two couples that we know. But we are well spaced out.
Your info about your pub is really useful, thank you! Can I ask one more question please? How is the social distancing between you and the couple you are with arranged? Was the pub willing to let you sit at a larger table than you need to allow spacing? Or are you on separate adjacent tables?
Alex50 · 04/07/2020 16:59

I’ve just been to my local village pub, only a couple of people in there, our table was a good 3 metres from anyone, it was lovely, it felt like life is returning to normal 😊

YankeeinKingArthursCourt · 04/07/2020 17:05

@WhereILiveIsWhereIStay

Sadly, the increasing infection rates in Leicester, Barnsley and Bradford have been linked to indoor activity ( namely school return & factory work). Similar "hot spot" infection trends in Germany, Spain, South Korea, China and the US have also been linked to indoor activity ( pubs, restaurants, night clubs, markets & factories).

So yes, based on this increase in "indoor activity", let's hope that it does not lead to localised "hot spots" in 2 weeks.

BlueBrian · 04/07/2020 17:07

If everyone stays away from the pubs we'll be lucky if there any left in business by the end of the year.
So you're saying if it turns out pubs are a major spreader of disease they should still stay open?

NothingIsWrong · 04/07/2020 17:09

We are round a table that is usually for 6. So me and DH on one side and them others opposite. Once leaning back in chairs etc, we are distanced. There is a one way system for the toilets with sanitiser before and after you come out, and spots on the floor for queuing that are 2m apart.

NothingIsWrong · 04/07/2020 17:10

I don't mean we have to lean back to be distanced. More than if we are sat normally in chairs, not leaning forward onto the table, we are OK. Sitting relaxed in chair is probably a better way of saying it

hashtagbollocks · 04/07/2020 17:10

So you're saying if it turns out pubs are a major spreader of disease they should still stay open
but nobody is saying that?
Tell you what, you stay in and let those that want to go out go out.
there we go, sorted

IcedPurple · 04/07/2020 17:21

Best thing about going to a pub today?

Knowing there's zero chance that you might bump into 'Blue Brian'!

SueEllenMishke · 04/07/2020 17:24

No I'm not saying that Bluebrian. Nothing is going to be risk free but unless we all want to stay locked in our houses for the foreseeable we need to start living social lives again - while adhering to safety guidelines.

I know some pub landlords and I've seen what they've done to enable them open. I'd feel safe going for a drink in their pubs.

Nobody is forcing you to go to the pub but don't judge others for thinking differently.
Or would you prefer to see an entire industry to collapse?

jeramiahbonbon · 04/07/2020 17:49

What's the reason for no music?

IcedPurple · 04/07/2020 17:51

I guess because singing has been shown to spread the virus through aerolisation? That's why places of worship are considered particularly risky.

ineedaholidaynow · 04/07/2020 17:57

If music is loud you will have to shout and that can have the same effect as singing

MillicentMargaretAmanda · 04/07/2020 17:59

I believe no music is not so much singing but people shouting over it to be heard (shouting also expels more breath and any nasties you have). Given a lot of pubs and restaurants I've been in I can't hear myself think, I'm all for it Grin

yeOldeTrout · 04/07/2020 18:00

I have a serious plan to stroll down to town centre around 9pm to see what's happening. There were "lively" elements out by 4pm already. Normal 4pm on a Saturday is very sleepy.

ineedaholidaynow · 04/07/2020 18:05

A&E and the police are all expecting to be busy later. It is a shame that the minority wreck it for the majority.

Pubs are seen to be likely hotspots, so if everyone stuck to the rules and behaved sensibly within the guidelines they may be able to stay open. But if things go wrong they will end up closing, which will end up ruining people’s businesses and livelihoods

Fortyfifty · 04/07/2020 18:12

There's a big difference between a couple or very small group having a few drinks in the pub at a quiet time and huge groups of people out to get legless, expecting things to be as they were before lockdown.

It's the latter which, will help spread the virus and put more people at risk.

Meeting one find is not high risk, if in a quiet setting with people practicing Sd. Mind you, how old are your kids? Might not be the best place for them to be today. A garden or park would be better if they're if an age where they'd like to run around.

Mumoftwo12345 · 04/07/2020 18:13

My partner came home from his first split shift back in the bar/restaurant he works at. He said everyone was very understanding and respectful of the new way of doing things. The waiting staff wear visors, no one else has to wear a mask, table service only.
Food is taking longer to get out due to SD in the kitchen but no ones complained.
He was anxious this morning but feeling more relaxed now.
Fingers crossed the evening passes as smoothly. His place of work have worked really hard to become covid secure and I'm thankful my partner has his job to go to. Hoping this period allows places to try to recoup what they've lost and keep people in work.

teddybear12 · 04/07/2020 18:52

Went today and really no issues
Hand sanitiser everywhere
Staff in masks
Felt very safe

WallsKOL · 04/07/2020 18:57

Well after a busy lunchtime 2 hours into my evening shift I’ve been told to close the kitchen & go home as it so quiet.
No hours = no pay 😫

RichardMarxisinnocent · 04/07/2020 19:09

@NothingIsWrong

We are round a table that is usually for 6. So me and DH on one side and them others opposite. Once leaning back in chairs etc, we are distanced. There is a one way system for the toilets with sanitiser before and after you come out, and spots on the floor for queuing that are 2m apart.
Thank you.
googledontknow · 04/07/2020 19:48

Hopefully things will pick up walls I assume everyone might have though the pub was going to be rammed so they stayed away?

SpnBaby1967 · 04/07/2020 20:01

I live behind the most wonderful pub, they've been open since 12pm & hearing the noise from it again is so nice. Never thought I'd miss it. We wandered past earlier & all seems very under control.

WallsKOL · 04/07/2020 20:08

@googledontknow - hopefully. The weather turned early evening & most of the drinkers were men (nothing wrong with that) rather than families/couples who would typically order food.
TBH despite losing money for my shift lunchtime was so mentally draining I’m quite glad to be home, showered & having a glass of wine.
I’ve worked (I’m a cleaner Monday-Friday) every day throughout & just carried on because I’ve had no choice. Today really hit home at the life we currently have to lead. The pub/restaurants are very complex & today has proven that.
I always thought pubs etc would struggle & after today I’m convinced many just wont come back.

BlueBrian · 04/07/2020 20:11

Well after that damp squib, most pub owners are probably checking to see what they can get for their pubs if they sell them to be redeveloped as housing.

R0bb1ns20 · 04/07/2020 23:19

Coronavirus: Where is the science behind social distancing?

Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA

The theory behind social distancing is that it will protect people from other folk who sneeze or cough. The lunatics who are currently running the asylum say that we will have to maintain social distancing for ever.

For ever.

Really. That’s what they’ve been saying.

But there isn’t any real science to it.

In some countries people have to keep three feet apart. In others they must keep four and a half feet apart. In Britain adults and children are told they must keep six feet apart. The latest rule in Britain is that two people can meet one person but one person cannot meet two people.

I’ve thought about that a lot and I don’t think I’m completely potty just yet but I can’t get my head round it.

Two people can meet one person but one person cannot meet two people.

That’s the law. And it is, quite possibly, the most completely stupid piece of advice ever given to anyone anywhere. But if you break the law you can be fined. I’ve no idea how much. I’m still too busy trying to work out how the law works to care what the fine is.

There is no uniformity to the rules between countries because they are just made up by people who think they are a good idea.

Our lives are being regulated and destroyed by rules which somebody somewhere thought were a good idea.

Forcing us to stay in our homes is also something that was just made up.

And it’s pretty clear that the authorities – the people who dreamt up the rules and who insist that we follow them – don’t bother to take much notice of them.

I’ve lost count of the number of senior public figures who have been caught flouting the rules. They always have a good excuse, of course. But then we all have good excuses for flouting the rules.

Am I the only one to have noticed that the police don’t seem to think the social distancing rules apply to them when they are out hunting for people who are sunbathing or sitting on park benches?

And when the police attend demonstrations against the lockdown they completely ignore the social distancing rules – standing close to one another and then getting very hands on with demonstrators.

The police are certainly breaking the social distancing laws when they arrest people.

So why should the police not arrest themselves?

Or maybe the demonstrators could arrest the police for breaking the social distancing laws.

Apart from the massive social and economic implications, there is of course one big problem with the social distancing rules.

A sneeze doesn’t stop at three feet or four and a half feet or six feet. And nor does a cough.

A cough can spread droplets for 18 feet. And a sneeze can travel 24 feet.

So these social distancing rules are arbitrary and utterly pointless.

If we were going to have effective social distancing then we would all have to keep at least 24 feet apart – preferably 30 feet apart.

But that would bring the world to a complete standstill, everyone would go bankrupt, no one would ever be able to buy any food and we would all starve to death.

Cars will have to be huge if everyone has to be 30 feet from everyone else.

So they made up these lower figures.

And even these figures are destroying lives and will destroy businesses and everything which makes our world good.

Social distancing forces friends to shout to one another and prevents grannies hugging their grandkids. Social distancing makes people fearful. It breeds distrust, suspicion and even hatred. Passers-by step to one side and walk on the road if they see someone coming towards them. Social distancing will prevent meetings and demonstrations.

It is difficult to think of a business which won’t be adversely affected by social distancing. Restaurants are told they will have to throw out three quarters of their tables and then try to make a profit. How many waiters can serve food from six feet away. A bowl of tomato soup will cost £200. Airlines have been told that they have to throw out a third of their seats and airline bosses have pointed out that if they do that then they will never be able to fly again. Hairdressers will need to use scissors that are two yards long. Sports arenas can only seat people if they have six feet of space all around them. Cinemas and theatres will have to close off most of their seating and either close or charge a fortune for their seats.

Hotels are doomed by social distancing .

Can you imagine trying to get back to your room after breakfast.

`I’m afraid there is a one hour queue for the lift, sir. We’re only allowed to put two people into one lift. And when sharing a lift you must both face the walls.’

I sense that the people who made up the social distancing rules are beginning to weaken.

The sensible solution is to push our so called leaders into forgetting about social distancing laws.

When they know that we don’t believe their lies and that we do know what is going on – and how they are trying to take over our lives with their power grabbing emergency legislation – then they will back off. They want to stay in power and if we shout long enough, loud enough and hard enough then they will listen.

We need to encourage old-fashioned good manners; to encourage everyone to cover their mouths and noses if they sneeze or cough. That’ll protect us all against all the diseases which can be transmitted this way.

If we do these simple things we can go back to living ordinary lives. We can eat out, watch live sports and talk to people we meet without having to shout at them.

If we must have laws to control our behaviour then introduce a law which says that if you don’t cover your mouth and nose when you sneeze then you will be punished.

And if we must have a punishment for breaking the law, bring back the stocks that were popular in England a few hundred years ago. People who don’t cover their mouths and noses will be sentenced to 24 hours in the stocks where the rest of us can stand and throw rotten fruit and vegetables at them.

Oh, and tell local authorities to install more public loos with decent hand washing facilities. One of the most insane things done during the last few weeks has been to close public loos in the UK. The people who decided to do that should be put in the stocks too.

Copyright Vernon Coleman May 31st 2020

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