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2nd wave prepping

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drinkingwineoutofamug · 03/07/2020 12:16

Not saying there will be a 2nd wave
But lessons learnt, the shops only ran out of certain goods due to panic buying. There was food in the shops, we had utilities etc.
But will people go daft again as warned that autumn may lead to a 2nd wave then only a theory .
So question, will people start stockpiles again?
I get that the media had a lot to do with it scaremongering.

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gamerchick · 04/07/2020 10:57

I've already sorted mine. Back to acceptable levels and look, no shortages. What do you know Grin

Nice to have another dig at preppers though but only makes you look daft for not knowing the difference Hmm

I'm doing Christmas now. It is July after all.

Gronky · 04/07/2020 10:57

CrunchyCarrot, how do you wrap your cheese for freezing and how do you defrost it? I've never had success freezing it, it always goes crumbly. Specifically, I eat extra mature cheddars.

Deelish75 · 04/07/2020 11:34

@CrunchyCarrot
I’ve never had much luck with freezing cheese, as Gronky says it I find it crumbles. Never tried butter, and as there’s usually a six week shelf life I’ve never bothered. What about yoghurts? I’ve heard you can freeze them but never tried it.

Cherrysummerfruits · 04/07/2020 12:37

@Bol87 but if you stockpile months in advance there is ALWAYS stuff left in the shops. This means only or or two extra each time.

It is the panic-buyers who go and buy 50 formula at once when the shops start running low. You running to try and grab some contributed to that.

CrunchyCarrot · 04/07/2020 12:39

@Gronky

CrunchyCarrot, how do you wrap your cheese for freezing and how do you defrost it? I've never had success freezing it, it always goes crumbly. Specifically, I eat extra mature cheddars.
Mature cheddar is more likely to crumble, I cut it with a very sharp knife into pieces about 3 cm wide and about 10 cm long, then wrap in cling film, then I put it back into its original wrapper (I get Cathedral city which has a ziplock bag). To defrost, take it out and leave at room temp still in cling film. As it defrosts it'll get damp, so unwrap the cling film and wrap in some kitchen towel. Takes a couple of hours to thaw. Seems to work fine!

Butter I cut up, wrap in greaseproof paper, then pack into bags.

TorysSuckRevokeArticle50 · 04/07/2020 13:16

@CaptainMerica we had the same thought about toy shops so DDs presents are bought and stashed already. We may get a few more little bits between now and the. But her main gifts are sorted and no need to scrabble around nearer the time.

Gronky · 04/07/2020 15:20

Thank you very much, CrunchyCarrot. I'll try it with softer cheeses.

BakewellGin1 · 04/07/2020 15:28

We've bought youngest DS's Christmas presents (he is only 16 months) in case of any disruption later in the year just a few sets of clothes to add when Autumn/Winter stuff comes out.

Will start oldest DS12 in August.

I like a stock of things we use a lot of over winter as DH works away so saves me dragging the boys out so toilet roll, nappies, wipes etc

Tin cupboard and freezer are always well stocked in autumn along with pasta, rice, Sauces etc so will do same as usual

XiCi · 04/07/2020 15:33

Craziness. The toilet roll panic buyers were beyond pathetic. There was absolutely enough stock for everyone if selfish idiots hadnt panic bought. In the event anyway there was absolutely nothing I wanted that I couldnt buy so why bother stockpiling?

The80sweregreat · 04/07/2020 16:11

I'm stocking up on loo rolls! That brief episode of empty shelves made me start to prep a bit!

TorysSuckRevokeArticle50 · 04/07/2020 16:13

@XiCi those of us stocking up now are doing you and everyone else no harm at all.

Personally I hope there is no further stock problems or lockdown or Brexit price hikes.

However as it is possible that there will be more lockdowns and Boris doesn’t seem to be having much luck with Brexit negotiations I prefer to have a bit of extra in the house.

I sure as hell dont want to be queuing outside toy shops in 3degree temperatures with pouring rain, sleet, snow or hail to buy a doll that I can buy now and put in a cupboard.

If you don’t, that’s fine. Move on, pick another thread and ignore us.

FloggingMoll · 04/07/2020 17:01

@XiCi

Craziness. The toilet roll panic buyers were beyond pathetic. There was absolutely enough stock for everyone if selfish idiots hadnt panic bought. In the event anyway there was absolutely nothing I wanted that I couldnt buy so why bother stockpiling?
That wasn't the case where I live. There were significant shortages. Fortunately I didn't add to them as I had already prepped months prior for a no-deal Brexit.

Tesco execs have already said they're seeing changes in the way people shop; no more running in buying stuff for the day. People are becoming more prepared. That's a good thing, surely?

AlohaMolly · 04/07/2020 20:07

I aim for three/four weeks supply of food at any one time and I think I’m about 2/3 weeks at the moment. DS is gluten intolerant and I’m glad that I had thought to have a decent supply of his stuff in because, even now, it’s difficult to find GF flour. I didn’t have to go to the shops for about three weeks at the beginning of lockdown and when I did, I was shocked to see the shelves cleared of GF pasta and bread and cereal etc.

mamasiz · 04/07/2020 20:39

@Bol87 Wow - that woman had the nerve to turn to you and say that? What an absolute cow! You’re a better woman than me I’m afraid - I think I would have told her how bloody selfish she was being, although if I had my baby with me at the time I probably wouldn’t. I’m just sorry you had to experience that - it just have been an anxious time for you.

Saladmakesmesad · 04/07/2020 22:18

Yes I’ll keep my stocks up for a potential second wave and Brexit. I don’t trust our government or the British people to manage this situation in any way sensibly so all I can do is look after my own.

GlomOfNit · 04/07/2020 22:31

I was/am a Brexit Prepper. DH was kind but I think laughed about it a bit. Then when nobody could get pasta and I had shitloads, in fact we're still working our way through the supplies I had in my Brexit box, plus loo paper, kitchen roll, rice, etc ... the only thing I think I struggled to find during those stupid mad weeks before lockdown was Worcestershire Sauce for some reason Grin as a local woman was selling eggs in massive amounts. I had plenty of flour, sugar, carby dry goods, tins ... and none of this was stockpiled FFS. It was bought in dribs and drabs over about a year. That's prepping - buying a bit more than you would normally buy in a food shop and storing the excess. Nobody is harmed by that because it doesn't result in a run on things, or things suddenly becoming scare. I really do wish people would engage their brains and realise the difference.

I fully intend to keep our stores up in the same way. I'm not buying all the loo paper but I do make sure we always have at least one large package of it unopened, in addition to whatever package we have open on the go.

R0bb1ns20 · 04/07/2020 22:56

Why There Will Be A Second Wave (They Need One)

Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA

They have done very well so far, with the aid of wildly inaccurate predictions made by a bunch of mathematical modellers who have never diagnosed or treated a patient in their lives, they have succeeded in putting much of the world under house arrest, closing down the global economy, shutting schools, exterminating vast numbers of older folk, sentencing millions of untreated patients to death and more. There was never any reason for any of it, of course. We knew that and they knew it too. The virus which was the subject of all this legalised mayhem was never more dangerous than the ordinary flu. The number of people killed by the prescribed treatment, the lockdowns and the social distancing, will, far, far exceed the number killed by the coronavirus.

The big question of the moment is: `will there be a second wave?’

And the questions which follow are: `will there be a third wave, a fourth wave and a fifth wave’.

In reality, I don’t believe there should be one.

Viruses don’t usually behave that way. In my experience, the same flu doesn’t keep coming round and round again.

But that doesn’t mean there won’t be one, of course. Indeed, they seem pretty certain, don’t they?

The people who are in control of the coronavirus crime want a second wave because they need to keep us subjugated but they know that reality is against them. Too many people are immune, the virus is probably weaker, the weather is warmer and most of the vulnerable are already dead. In the UK the hospital bosses have murdered tens of thousands of elderly folk by dumping them, tested or untested, into care homes. It’s as if they were deliberately trying to recreate a Typhoid Mary situation without Typhoid Mary.

There are already signs of dissent. A relative of one man who died is suing the government and although I loathe litigation I wish her luck.

Everyone involved should sue the government. They forced the elderly and the lonely to stay in their homes but they deprived them of food and medical care. It was a domestic version of the murderous Liverpool Pathway. As predicted we are now finding the decaying bodies of lonely, elderly folk – many of whom probably died of simple starvation. They weren’t allowed to go to the shops and they couldn’t arrange food deliveries and, despite all the politicians’ promises, no one helped them out. Still, the Government won’t mind. They’ll save hundreds of millions a year in pensions and health care costs.

People are getting feisty. They are ignoring the laws and questioning what is going on. There is some concern about the vaccine that is promised. Or should that be threatened. People are becoming edgy about the brainwashing, the deliberate creation of fear, the conditioning techniques, the tracking and the enforced isolation. More and more people understand that we don’t usually have a global reset, as some are calling it, whenever there is a touch of the flu around.

Governments, however, want a second wave. Everything that has happened is about control, power and money. And it will be very easy to prove that there is one. Indeed, news reports are constantly warning us that second waves have been spotted emerging in some parts of the world.

It will be remarkably easy for them to prove that there is a second wave. (And if there was ever a them’ and us’ situation, this is it.)

They will merely test more people. Many of those who are tested will have the disease but be asymptomatic. It doesn’t matter. Was this the reason that they didn’t test more people months ago when the information testing would have provided would have doubtless helped us avoid the lockdowns? Were they keeping the testing until when they needed to prove a second spike of the infection?

They will repeat the threats until we are fully cowed and ready to accept whatever they order us to do; until we beg for the vaccine they promise, or threaten us with, depending upon your point of view.

They have sold the vaccine to the populace at large as a cure. But they don’t want the cure too soon. They want the fear to continue. Having said that it is worth noting that a drug company called AstraZeneca has started making two billion doses of a coronavirus vaccine although tests for safety and efficacy have not been completed. That shows confidence and a determination to be first if nothing else. Even Bill Gates, the world’s self-appointed spokesman on all medical matters, admits that it usually takes at least five years to prepare and test a vaccine.

Eventually there will be a vaccine because it is the perfect way to force us to accept ID cards (they will call them certificates) or tattoos (they will call those implants) or apps (they will call those apps). And the vaccine will be compulsory even if they cleverly manage to avoid that word.

If there is a second wave it will be deliberately created. They can blame the street demonstrations which the police allowed to take place – even though they were breaking lockdown and social distancing laws. This will add to the divisions in our society and it will increase racism. Evil governments want divisions.

Back in the middle of March I described this whole thing as a hoax – my first video, published on 18th March, used that very word – the title was `Coronavirus scare: the hoax of the century’– but since then it has become abundantly clear that none of this happened accidentally or through simple incompetence (though there has been a good deal of that) – this is all about control, money and power. It seemed to be a hoax, then it became a scandal and now it’s a crime. Nothing is impossible, anything goes and if you aren’t paranoid then you aren’t paying attention.

And the people who want those three things are using the threat of a second wave to keep us cowed. It enables them to excuse every new lunacy – such as the forced wearing of masks. It’s a constant threat. If you don’t eat your broccoli you won’t have any ice cream. Wait until your father gets home. If you don’t behave you won’t be allowed to play outside. If you make a noise you will be in detention. If you don’t obey the social distancing laws and the lockdown laws then there will be a second wave and the social distancing and lockdown laws will be stricter than ever. If you dare to doubt our forecasts, if you speak the truth, we will bludgeon you to death with propaganda and abuse. And if we need to introduce a second wave we will make sure that some of the blame lands on your shoulders. The track and trace system is a way to keep people locked up permanently. If they stop us paying by cash they will know where we are all the time. And if you visit a shop or a park or a petrol station it will be easy for them to say that you were near to someone with symptoms and therefore you must go into lockdown for another fortnight.

Oppressing the public is a time honoured way of managing the public. The soviet union kept people obedient with shortages and queues. We have been subjugated with pictures of huge, purpose built mortuaries filled with empty coffins to show us a glimpse of our future.

R0bb1ns20 · 04/07/2020 22:56

Our world now looks a little like a communist State. But in reality our State is slightly different. We are rapidly acquiring a system with complete State control, forcibly suppressed opposition, close links with and heavy regulation of large companies, the elimination of small companies and the disappearance of democracy. There are elements of nationalism and racism and slavery of the people. All around the world changes are being made. The EU, for example, has waived the rules forbidding individual countries from supporting their industries. The result is that the multinationals are now receiving truck loads of taxpayer billions. In 2008 it was the turn of the banks. Today it is the turn of the airlines and the car manufacturers. Companies which saved a little money and were sensible will not enjoy this bonanza, of course. And small companies will lose out – inevitably. But the multinationals which have received `free’ money will be tied closely to the State which handed out the money. At the same time big companies have been ordered to stop paying dividends – thus impoverishing the elderly who rely on private or corporate pensions. They want us all to build up big debts. People with debts are vulnerable and can easily be pushed around. Interest rates are probably about to go negative, wages will fall, property prices will fall and unemployment will soar.

(As an aside, small companies have long been targeted by the European Union and, indeed, individual governments everywhere because they are considered too much of a nuisance and too difficult to control. Government loans made to small companies, in an unprecedented loan sharking exercise will enable tax inspectors and bureaucrats to delve deep into each company’s accounts and they will end up being virtually owned by the State. And these days the word virtually’ is pretty much synonymous with the word reality’. Politicians, bureaucrats and tax office staff have yet to realise that large companies were once small companies and that if you crush all the small enterprises then, in a decade or two, there won’t be any large ones.)

And all that is the precise definition of fascism – which is, of course, the close cousin of communism but in truth rather different.

The last few months have been among the darkest days in the planet’s history and when you look at it coldly it’s been an impressive job. The soul of the world is now drenched in darkness; for many the light of hope has been extinguished. You don’t hear many people laughing these days. Smiles have been crushed – either by fear of the oversold flu virus or anger at the way such a modest threat has been deliberately turned into utter chaos. Any smiles which are there are hidden behind masks. Our economy is going to be reset (whatever that means – and I have some ideas) and we are going to be controlled by apps on our smart phones. Those who don’t have smart phones, and the obligatory apps, will become non citizens.

Neil Ferguson of Imperial College, the mathematical modeller who appears to have led us down into this doom laden hell fire scenario is about as convincing as that little Swedish girl who was all the rage a few months ago. They seem to me to have much in common: arrogance, ignorance and a yearning to be in the spotlight. Maybe the two of them could join up as a joint entry in the next Eurovision song contest. They could put together a rousing performance of `Puppet on a String’. Picking the Eddie the Eagle of sums to front the scam shows the level of contempt in which we are held by the people who have planned this takeover of our lives.

Although he resigned after breaking his own lockdown rules, Ferguson recently told a Parliamentary Committee that the number of UK deaths could have been halved if the UK had gone into lockdown a week earlier. He admitted, however, that he had no proper scientific basis for this extraordinary claim. It is bizarre that anyone still listens to Ferguson. If he were a child at school no one would bother to copy his homework because it would be wrong. The only thing he seems to be really good at is selling himself.

Ferguson originally forecast that there would be 510,00 deaths in the UK (not 509,000 or 511,000 but 510,000) and 2,200,000 deaths in the US. As I said at the beginning of this whole farce his estimates were, of course, always absurd.

It is worth noting that South Korea, which has a population of 50 million, has had around 300 deaths nationwide. And South Korea had no lockdown.

The organisers of all this mayhem are doubtless well pleased with themselves.

They have disrupted billions of lives and created terror and global chaos. No terrorist group has ever been as effective. But then this scam was organised by people who already had unlimited supplies of money and power. Populations everywhere have accepted the story that we are fighting a war against a plague like virus that threatens the entire planet. It’s science fiction but it’s been presented as news in the way that Orson Welles presented the War of the Worlds on American radio, terrifying the millions of listeners who believed the story. Britain is the now the worst governed and least democratic state in the Western world. The rich who are not in on the scam are quitting the UK in droves. The loss to the government in terms of tax take is going to be phenomenal. Government ministers who don’t know what is going on (and I suspect that’s most of them) are blundering around, struggling to understand why everything is going wrong and putting all their energy into attempting to cover up their ignorance and their incompetence.

Early on the specialist scientists (as opposed to the mathematicians) knew this wasn’t a new version of the plague. The bug was downgraded to flu level before the lockdowns began. It was clear from the start that lockdowns and social distancing laws were not necessary.

But just look at how successfully governments have terrorised their voters.

School teachers and parents are scared out of their wits and if the absurd social distancing laws are maintained there is a very good chance that schools and colleges will never open again – certainly not in any meaningful way. A generation of children, who should now be at school, looking forward to their summer holidays, will be frightened for their lives. They will be so consumed with in-grained fear, so scarred psychologically, that they will never be able to form proper, close relationships with other folk outside their immediate family. If and when the schools reopen they will never be back to anything resembling normal. There is a good chance that many children will never finish their education. Is this a government plan? Providing less education will cost less money and young people who are illiterate and innumerate are, of course, easier to control and far less likely to be troublesome. Besides, there won’t be much need for skilled workers in the future. Unemployment is going to stay and millions are going to be entirely dependent upon the government for their daily bread. This is no accident. In whatever sort of future we have robots will do most of the tricky work. Robots are being trained as baristas and waiters and nurses and doctors and cooks and anything else you can think of. If you have a job, a robot can probably do it. And probably will. Though, come to think of it I doubt if they’ll programme one to be a dissident.

Anyone who wants to study will be told to take advantage of distance learning software. Parents who work will be working at home and students who study will be studying at home.

Shops have been closed for so long that many will struggle to survive as absurd social distancing rules mean that they cannot operate normally – or anywhere near normally. And in closing public loos the councils have done their best to ensure that by Christmas High Streets everywhere will be decorated with nothing more festive than estate agents’ boards. We will be doing all our shopping over the internet. Those who don’t have access to the internet will simply starve to death – as they have already been doing.

Reports show that people are killing themselves because they are frightened that they have the bug or frightened that they might catch it. It’s just like the terror that was falsely created over AIDS in the last century, when for a while the number killing themselves because they were terrified exceeded the number dying from the disease. The curious thing is that the people who panicking over the coronavirus handle their recycling bins every week with bare hands – apparently not caring that the dustmen, sorry consultant recycling experts, who pick up their recycling bins have also picked up several hundred other recycling bins and so the bins are smothered with all the bugs from all the hands of all the people who have touched them. I would estimate that recycling bins and wheelie bins cause more infections than railway loos and £5 hookers.

Thousands of GPs have virtually shut their surgeries. Convinced by the lies, rather than by the evidence, they are so terrified that they deal with patients by telephone and on the rare occasion when a face to face meeting is unavoidable they wear the mask, the visor, the gloves and the smock. They clean their surgeries between patients and they never touch patients without wearing gloves. It does not seem to have occurred to doctors that such a deeply unpleasant experience is for most patients so scary that they will avoid visiting their local family doctor not because of some perceived risk but because the process is severely forbidding.

Dentists’ surgeries were shut for months and now 40,000 people a day are joining waiting lists for urgent treatment. Like GPs and hospitals the dentists say they cannot get hold of hospital quality surgical masks and so on but you can buy the stuff, properly approved, on the internet.

Million are so scared that they will accept facial recognition, iris scans, implanted vaccines and slavery with enthusiasm. They want a cashless society and they are happy to be zombies, living half lives, if they can be promised that they won’t die from the plague. If the scientific advisors tell them that the only way to survive is to stand on their heads in a bucket of horseshit they will do so with enthusiasm. And the scientific advisors will, of course, happily provide the horseshit. A fifth of the population are so consumed by fear that they wash their cash with soap and water or disinfectant wipes but never dream of washing their wheelie bin handles or the sides of their recycling bins. At least that gives a whole new meaning to the term `money laundering’.

Since April I have been warning that there is going to be a global food shortage and although this is inevitable as the oil runs out it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that this has been engineered to keep us fearful and obedient.

The electric vehicle enthusiasts will claim that it is possible to make combine harvesters which run on electricity and that may be true – but where is the electricity going to come from to keep huge pieces of farm machinery running for hour after hour? And the production of modern fertilisers will be impossible too.

Big companies, spotting an opportunity, want to get rid of farms so that they can take over food production in their robot managed factories – with food such as fake meat made from chemicals. And there will be more genetically controlled food. When we are hungry enough we will eat anything. This is all part of the attempt to control the planet. If you think I sound paranoid then you simply haven’t been paying attention.

Copyright Vernon Coleman June 2020

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 04/07/2020 23:05

Yep I replenished my medicine cabinet today and got a hand sanitiser which now seems to be in plentiful supply.

Will top up the drinks cabinet next week

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 04/07/2020 23:10

@R0bb1ns20 - sorry that is way too long to read on a chat forum

gamerchick · 04/07/2020 23:15

R0bb1ns20

Seriously, I lost the will to live at the soul of the world. If you were going to link YouTube, just link YouTube. Although I automatically think it's another David icke jobby.

okiedokieme · 04/07/2020 23:28

I don't let my cupboards run bare anyway. But I will pick up chopped tomatoes because my pre March stash (I noticed what was happening back in feb and did a cash and carry run) are getting low, 24 cans only lasts so long (that was the case size)

InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 05/07/2020 05:07

Whilst he raises some good points- there are certainly “stretches of reality” invoked. Hmm

Makinganewthinghappen · 05/07/2020 05:13

I have been making sure I have a couple of weeks of food in.

We don’t drive and when we were not able to get to any big shops and had 0 chance of an online delivery we were stuck shopping at our corner shop it was a bit of a nightmare - I don’t want to be in that position again. It was fairly stressful trying to buy food for 8 people in a corner shop!

DryHeave · 05/07/2020 05:31

We ran out stocks down and are getting ready to rebuild.

The best thing about prepping was not having to go to the shops AT ALL for the couple of weeks of insanity panic buying that happened pre-lockdown (which must surely have been a spreading event?).

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