Are the unions going to kick off about back to school in September?

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Is there going to be a big hoo ha from the unions about the "everyone back to school at full capacity" announcement from the PM today?

Any teachers on here care to give a view?

Hang on, your DH is a teacher but you posted this despite knowing any post about the unions quickly descends into slagging off teachers? Does he know?

Can you link to the stuff about teachers and health workers Covid infections you were talking about?

Our strong advice is that, on this basis, you should currently not engage with any planning based on a wider reopening of schools

That is not advice to headteacher.

I think hashtag you have a misunderstanding about unions. Heads are in NAHT or ASCL. NEU And NASUWT represent teachers. Unison works for other school staff
yes, thanks, I know that.
I just had a memory of a union advising teaching staff not to engage in further discussion.
Apologies I couldn't remember precisely which one at the time

what sort of pressures or reasoning would a school who provides very little have?

The definition of ‘very little’ seems to vary massively depending on perspective! Many schools scaled back what they were providing after parents complained about it being too much. My kid gets daily twinkl worksheets, not marked and I think that’s fine but others on here have been wringing their hands in horror about how awful that is.

Some schools are seeing very little engagement at all from the kids and so providing loads of stuff would be pointless.

I guess you’d have to ask the school their rationale.

Very dispiriting that people on here who claim to be teachers have such an obdurate mindset (look it up , teachers if you don't know what it means).
You'd hope teachers would be role models but clearly not.
OP if you ever look at the staffroom threads in the Education section you would see what you are dealing with. People who boast about copying and pasting if SLT ask them to do a gap analysis on missed learning'; open contempt for their employers and managers 'over promoted SLT is a favourite;posters who are bitchy about posters on other threads; posters who say if they are expected to return to work they will 'go on long term sick'. Some role models!

Ok

Maybe try to talking to your husband who of course is a teacher. Teachers tend to work with other teachers and have lots of teacher contacts so he should have a good idea of the feeling amongst teachers and unions. HTH

Oh hi Umbrella.

Was there a point to your post or did you just pop in to spread the joy around?

"Anyone have any idea of what might happen with staff in the extremely clinically vulnerable group? Or staff with ecv partners and dependants?
I would say sheilding group, but that's all coming to an end now.
Unfortunately we still remain extremely clinically vulnerable."
Yes you still remain on the list, but you can now go to work, including school.

I should add, from 1st August.

I'm past worrying it about it tbh, they'll either be back at school or they won't. September is a long way off.

@UmbrellaHat

Very dispiriting that people on here who claim to be teachers have such an obdurate mindset (look it up , teachers if you don't know what it means). You'd hope teachers would be role models but clearly not. OP if you ever look at the staffroom threads in the Education section you would see what you are dealing with. People who boast about copying and pasting if SLT ask them to do a gap analysis on missed learning'; open contempt for their employers and managers 'over promoted SLT is a favourite;posters who are bitchy about posters on other threads; posters who say if they are expected to return to work they will 'go on long term sick'. Some role models!

Yes umbrella we know what it means. Also: obnoxious, obsessive, obfuscate, objectionable and obstinate.

I think there will be an element of let's see if Nicola can pull it off in August before Gavin starts thinking how do we do it in England.

Here's the weekly data about outbreaks in care homes, schools, hospitals and prisons that you wanted, OP - the four areas of society that PHE England see fit to report on and monitor, presumably because they're the parts of society we all can't live without and need people who are prepared to go in and take one for the team without the Perspex screens and 2m marked out queues.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-covid-19-surveillance-reports

Hopefully you're showing your husband a bit more respect than you've shown teachers here with your goady, unpleasant post.

I for one will be very glad as a teacher and parent if we can return full time with all children in September, but I'll do my very best with whatever I'm given from Boris.

@hashtagbollocks

Fripp yes they did

www.personneltoday.com/hr/neu-teachers-union-school-reopening/

But enjoy the rubbish you're sprouting

Maybe you need to learn how to read that says teachers.

Not head teachers different jobs.

But hey keep spreading that rubbish.

Every teacher I know is delighted that all children will be back in school, full time.

The question is will every teacher be back in school to teach them or are we going to have staff shortages where vulnerable teachers insist on staying WFH?

We’ve already got critical teacher shortages, user. We’ve had them for years. Kids have been in school despite that, they just don’t have a permanent or qualified teacher.

Anyone have any idea of what might happen with staff in the extremely clinically vulnerable group?

Presumably they need to start going through the formal channels re health issues preventing them from working, and towards alternative jobs within the school, or ultimately redundancy on ill health grounds. The same way they'd do it with any other form of illness preventing someone from doing the job they were contracted to do.

@UmbrellaHat

Very dispiriting that people on here who claim to be teachers have such an obdurate mindset (look it up , teachers if you don't know what it means). You'd hope teachers would be role models but clearly not. OP if you ever look at the staffroom threads in the Education section you would see what you are dealing with. People who boast about copying and pasting if SLT ask them to do a gap analysis on missed learning'; open contempt for their employers and managers 'over promoted SLT is a favourite;posters who are bitchy about posters on other threads; posters who say if they are expected to return to work they will 'go on long term sick'. Some role models!

Much obliged for patronising comment there. I was an International legal advisor with a first from one of the top law schools in Europe prior to retraining to do something a bit more altruistic with my time, but do feel free to talk down to me like I am some sort of halfwit...those that can, do, right? Tedious...

If schools concentrated discretionary funds on PPE could it be done? Children are better off in schools, even with equipment learning isn’t always great or even happening.

We can open fully if there is no social distancing at all. We can't if it is 1m. We have 4 plans: the two we have had since our school "closed" ie open for vulnerable children followed by open for 25% at a time with 2m distancing. We also have a 1m plan and our "business as usual" plan. To be fair to the government, I don't think they know which will be needed in September as they wait to see the effects of relaxing lockdown play out. However, to be fair to schools, it's frustrating to have only the "if cases and transmission are low" best case scenario being trotted out.

Note the blue bar.

The question is will every teacher be back in school to teach them or are we going to have staff shortages where vulnerable teachers insist on staying WFH?

Well, they'd quickly be out of a job if they didn't turn up and shielding had ended, wouldn't they? Exactly the same as in any other profession. What a silly post.

Are you concerned there will be a shortage of teachers in September which will uniquely affect your school?