People visiting pubs may have to register before going for a pint.

[DGRossetti]

Luckily of no effect on me whatsoever. But imagine how they'll manage to keep all that data safe ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52977388

disabled people shouldnt have to keep proving their illnesses though. They get enough of that with PIP ESA etc.

@HelenDove

I don’t think so either, but what’s your solution?

Dont really have one but i suspect the Government will have to find one sharpish if someone dies due to heat stroke while wearing a mask on the Tube.

Is our tube worse than other countries?

english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/06/9126f89133e2-focus-japan-companies-developing-cool-face-masks-as-summer-approaches.html

Demand for masks suitable for summer use is increasing in Japan and other parts of the world, with medical experts warning against risks such as breathing difficulties and dehydration when people wear masks in the hot and humid season.

Companies from different industries that have never produced masks before are coming up with solutions, with their own expertise ranging from high-tech cool materials to interesting ideas like putting refrigerant packs inside masks.

@iVampire And yes, as PP put it, if you get pinged, your night out has just cost you 2 weeks work but how? How would it cost you 2 weeks work. If the pubs/ restaurants make sure they set tables out to the correct distance, why would we lose 2 weeks work if someone else in that restaurant tested postive? I just don't see it..

I assume it will be because you can’t wear a mask whilst eating and drinking. I am sure the pay off for 1m SD will be masks.

I think this is what happens in other countries, but obviously Boris may do his own thing.

However for certain types of venue, such as LGBT venues, it may cause more of an issue as a proportion of the clientele won't be comfortable in being traced to such a venue for pretty obvious reasons.

which decade are you talking about here?
The days of LGBT venues being dark, top secret venues are well and truly over.

Plus "pretty obvious reasons" what the fuck?
Is being Gay supposed to still be a dirty little secret in your mind?

[quote Hugglespuffed]**@iVampire* And yes, as PP put it, if you get pinged, your night out has just cost you 2 weeks work* but how? How would it cost you 2 weeks work. If the pubs/ restaurants make sure they set tables out to the correct distance, why would we lose 2 weeks work if someone else in that restaurant tested postive? I just don't see it..[/quote]
We don't have a working app for a start. Joe Bloggs goes to the Red Lion with Fred Smith. They give their details. Joe buys the drinks, Fred sits at the table. Two days later Fred feels ill, tests positive. He knows the only person he was close to was Joe. On the other hand, it might be Joe that tests positive. He's been in contact with Fred and also had a 20 minute chat with the bar staff. On his way to the loo, he had a 15 minute natter with Dave and a 10 minute chat plus a hug with Mary. The bar staff, Dave and Mary all had close contact with other people in the pub. Now do you see the problem? It's impossible to identify who needs to isolate, so if (as we don't know for sure) contact details have to be provided, then logically it will be to tell everyone who was in the pub with Joe that they must isolate. An app would be able to identify those who had been in close enough contact to make isolation necessary.

I know things like this work in other countries and I'm glad of it. But if there's one certainty in life right now, it's that this government will take a sensible, workable plan and turn it into a major fuck up.

Well in that case, I won't be going..which is a shame.. i can't afford to take 2 weeks off work because I've been in the same building as someone else.

Same here. Although the idea is sounding fairly unattractive for several reasons. It's a shame - I'd really love to get back to eating out

My local could just about run a register. It’s 95% regulars from within a few streets of the pub. Quite a few you can set your clock by.

I know things like this work in other countries and I'm glad of it. But if there's one certainty in life right now, it's that this government will take a sensible, workable plan and turn it into a major fuck up

This right here is what’s wrong with this country. I fucking despair of the left. Won’t give anything a chance because Tory.

@TheDrsDocMartens

The proportion of people who are “regulars” at particular pub is a tiny, tiny proportion of those who go to pubs and restaurants in general. It’s almost as anachronistic as the “gay bars” comment.

It would be this government though because they're in power. But if it makes you happier, I'll change what I said so it reads "But if there's one certainty in life right now, it's that any UK government will take a sensible, workable plan and turn it into a major fuck up." I don't have any political allegiance and I don't describe myself as left or right. That better?

[quote Derbygerbil]@TheDrsDocMartens

The proportion of people who are “regulars” at particular pub is a tiny, tiny proportion of those who go to pubs and restaurants in general. It’s almost as anachronistic as the “gay bars” comment.[/quote]
I wasn’t saying it as ‘normal’ more than it’s probably unusual. Even for our small town regulars are a small proportion in most pubs.

My apologies - I meant ‘pinged’ in the older sense of ‘nabbed’, ‘spotted’ or ‘identified’

I was not referring to the (non-existent) app

The regulations for opening are likely to be table service only and really trying to avoid people standing and ordering at the bar. It’s very likely you’re going to need a reservation in most set ups to guarantee a table, you are going to give some details like you normally would anyway?

On a side note. There are nightclubs/bars that you already have to scan your ID to enter (usually due to previous issues) but not only does this technology exist but it’s something the licensing board and demand as terms of your right to sell alcohol.

This threads are so weird.
No app
No leaving your details
But you do want the spread to stop, just never be informed you should get a test to help stop it. I know Mumsnet is not a sane representation of the world, but you spend 15 minutes here and wonder how we’ll ever get out our houses again.

but you spend 15 minutes here and wonder how we’ll ever get out our houses again.

We'll be going out but if much of the speculation about pubs/restaurants turns out to be accurate, we won't be going to them. We can't afford DH to isolate for 14 days, so we'll avoid places where that might arise. If face coverings are mandatory, we can't wear them - can't, not won't - so another reason not to go. It's hardly going to be a 'social' event from the way it's sounding and it's going to be expensive. We can just think of other things to do that sound more fun and are better value for money. We're certainly not going to be staying in the house.

@holidaydisaster2020 do you honestly not believe there are people who havent come out yet? The poster did not say they personally believed being gay should be a secret.

@Bamboozle

I get it, and I find the 2 week thing daunting as well, I work in a restaurant. 4 months off is quite enough and I can’t get my head around how workable it’s going to be if the whole team working one evening has to take 2 weeks off because someone dined with us who turned out to have the virus.

My concern is more at people’s absolute reluctance at being involved in any scheme which might let us open up society again and keep the virus at reasonable levels. Taking personal responsibility and choosing not to go out for dinner/a beer is one thing. Saying you’re going to use a fake ID/ignore advice is quite different.

Face coverings cannot be worn all the time is places where you eat and drink.

If the General rule is going to be '2m, or 1m if in a mask' then pubs/restaurants as we knew them aren't compliant. If people want to socialise at low risk times but in a high risk way, then it does become important to be able to rapidly identify who was in those places at the riskiest times.

Face coverings cannot be worn all the time is places where you eat and drink.

From various things pp have said, face coverings are for when you're moving around - to/from your table, going to the loo, etc. Don't think anyone's suggesting you try and eat a meal through one!

I assume the staff will be wearing masks and as they won't be standing by someone for more than 15 minutes they may be exempt from self isolation. Will need to socially distance from other members of staff.