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Country walk, couldn't believe my eyes, this is how it spreads...

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RapidRainbow · 20/06/2020 19:40

We've been, like everyone else, walking more than usual. Today we walked a new route. The path was really tricky to SD on having to stop and go up against barbed fences to let people pass. We were wedged between a group carrying a pushchair down to a beauty spot (we didn't realise until we got there the insistence to go down the very steep rocky stepped path was because they were clearly gathering for a day out with other families as we saw approx. 20 people in groups in a clearing!). At one point we stopped so we didn't get too close to people in front and a family group behind us went past and I felt their presence on my back, you know that little brush against you! Then there was a group of 3 in their early twenties ish with one man coughing and sensed them very close behind so moved over to let them past. On both occasions a polite 'excuse me' would have been better so we could suitable SD as best we could.

We sat on a hill near a gate, we could see everyone going through it opened it with their hands. My DH and son used their feet to knock the catches open so we didn't have to touch the gate. If we have to touch a stiff gate, we instantly use our hand spray gel, I'm so glad we didn't need to do that today!

I watched as kids climbed over the gate, people opened the gate then rubbed their face or opened a drinks bottle or ran their hands through their hair! I estimated that in the 10 minutes we sat there, approx 20 people touched that gate and not one used a handgel or wipe etc afterwards.

It's not exact, but that would be 120 people in an hour and over a 10 hour day of a busy area, approx 1200 touching that one gate. Statisticly, some of them would be carrying Covid! Shock

These will be the people who get Covid and say 'well I've only been to the Supermarket and out walking'!

I don't think I'm being overly cautious? I feel safe outside if we SD but I try to imagine every person and every surface could be carrying Covid to keep risks to a minimum.

OP posts:
Alex50 · 21/06/2020 09:23

I don’t think it’s all over but I do think lockdown is coming to an end. Shops are open, restaurants and cafes will open soon, schools will open in September, holidays and flights will open soon. You will have to make your own risk assessment whether it’s safe or not, let alone touching a gate and washing everything that comes into the house.

FluffyKittensinabasket · 21/06/2020 10:37

This is a strange thread! “I know loads of people who have caught CV, I’m glad my DH isn’t as stupid as people on here.”

Personally, I don’t know anybody first hand and my DH thinks along the same lines as me regarding transmission.

So who is “right?”

🤷🏻‍♀️

Alex50 · 21/06/2020 10:56

The only people I know who are over the top about this are on mumsnet. I wonder if they are like this in real life? I don’t know how you could live your life like this, thinking every time you or your family leave the house you will get infected and be severely ill.

EnlightenedOwl · 21/06/2020 11:22

I really feel sorry for them

GabriellaMontez · 21/06/2020 11:28

This thread turned really interesting.

So can you definitely not get it from wanking?

Carlislemumof4 · 21/06/2020 11:30

@Alex50

I don’t think it’s all over but I do think lockdown is coming to an end. Shops are open, restaurants and cafes will open soon, schools will open in September, holidays and flights will open soon. You will have to make your own risk assessment whether it’s safe or not, let alone touching a gate and washing everything that comes into the house.
Yes, we should all make our own risk assessments. And there is still a risk outside.

With the push, 'kissing gate' style of gate the op described, hooking a foot under to open it when lots of people are passing through sounds sensible. I've done that many, many times pre covid anyway, carrying a toddler etc.

I wipe my front gate down regularly. Don't wipe down shopping but do only buy packaged food including plastic wrapped fruit and veg or frozen. Leave shopping in hall while I wash hands, remove mask, change clothes, put shopping away leaving bags in hall. Open letters and parcels in hall, disposing of packaging straightaway then washing hands,taking care not to touch face in meantime.

Businesses are opening for economic reasons,, not because it's necessarily safe. Particularly in an area like mine that has been a hotspot all along.

Even with the 2m rule to be removed imminently, things won't go back to normal. Getting the impression they're about to make face coverings mandatory in more situations in place of that. I already wear one for the supermarket and will everywhere else public indoors for the foreseeable.

A local hairdresser interviewed said they'll be taking all clients full details in case needed for track and trace which sounds sensible. Delivery personnel that visit the premises too. Hairdressers obviously known for cleaning/hygiene anyway and sounds like face coverings will be mandatory. I won't be going for the time being though. Same with non essential shops though I miss the bookshop and local cafe. Supermarket trips for my large family are enough, online shopping apart from that.

Outdoors not visiting the Lakes until local covid figures have come right down and facilities such as public toilets are more widely open.

As for non essential international travel, resuming that immediately is crazy to me. Back in March with a local outbreak in a school traced to an Italian holiday, if you'd told me after a half hearted lockdown for a short couple of months the government may be telling people they can jump straight back on planes for holidays, I wouldn't have believed you.

September is close just for local transmission to come down to the point getting my DCs back in to school safely (hopefully full time for my soon to be Year 6 DD particularly) seems possible. Three primary age DCs means three classes of pupils, staff, their families as contacts. DH, although mainly still working from home, returning to some travel on public transport for meetings and coming in to prolonged contact in the office with colleagues who will be travelling all over the county for work again. That's enough contacts going in to the Autumn and Winter!

EnlightenedOwl · 21/06/2020 11:52

I stopped reading when you admitted washing your gate. You need help

FlibbertyGiblets · 21/06/2020 11:55

"My DH and son used their feet to knock the catches open so we didn't have to touch the gate" amazingly doesn't mean that they used their feet to knock catches open because actually the gates DIDN'T have catches, how stupid people are to not realise that a gate described as "with catches" doesn't have any catches, tut tut, bunch of thickoes, me included!

Carlislemumof4 · 21/06/2020 12:02

@EnlightenedOwl

I stopped reading when you admitted washing your gate. You need help
Ha ha sure. Wiping the contact points down regularly after the postman comes (having been house to house), with my gate opening on to a busy city street, the neighbour and their tradesmen sometimes using it to access their path, seems sensible to me.
CruCru · 21/06/2020 12:32

I think that one of the things I've found most difficult lately is how many people seem to be unable to use their own good judgement. Risk (and disease) are part of life and always will be.

I find it weird that the OP considers touching a gate to be a high risk activity but not opening the latches on a gate with a shod foot. I suspect that the issue is that the OP considers any risk (no matter how small) to herself or her family to be unacceptable. That they have contaminated a gate latch with traces of cow or dog faeces and therefore risked other people (including children) is not relevant or interesting to her.

People who use a shod foot to open a gate are the same people who hover over the loo seat and get piss on it (because their lily white arse MUST NOT touch a public loo seat) or drive their own child to school and then moan about air quality around the school. They care about themselves, their own children, their own families but no one else.

JinglingHellsBells · 21/06/2020 12:35

@Alsohuman
In which case why behave as if it’s Ebola? There’s no logic to it.

The logic is that no one knows how they will react. Yes, there are many people who have mild symptoms and people who have had it and won't know until they have the test for antibodies.

BUT the whole point is, no one knows if they will be one of the 50K dead, if they get it, or one of those who barely have a sniffle.

I'd have thought this was obvious.

Age, overall health, race, underlying conditions all affect survival BUT there are still many younger and healthy people who have died.

If you want to take that risk, it's partly up to you, but it's not just your risk- you can pass it on even before you show signs of it, or if you have it.

You may have missed it, but right at the start of this benches and seats in parks were taped off. That is because of transmission risk through touching. No one has proved that was unwarranted, so people who avoid touching gates that hundreds of people have touched a minute before are not being stupid.

Guylan · 21/06/2020 12:38

Wiping the contact points down regularly after the postman comes (having been house to house), with my gate opening on to a busy city street, the neighbour and their tradesmen sometimes using it to access their path, seems sensible to me.

Agree, sounds reasonable to me.

JinglingHellsBells · 21/06/2020 12:39

That they have contaminated a gate latch with traces of cow or dog faeces and therefore risked other people (including children) is not relevant or interesting to her.

I hope you can see the hilarious lack of logic to your post.

You are saying that a trace of animal faeces on the bottom edge of a gate which no one would touch is worse that the virus possibly smeared on the metal latch.

No one can open a gate latch with their foot unless they are a gymnast. Have you ever seen a latch on a gate? They are usually 4 ft high and on the opposite side to where you stand.

EarlGreywithLemon · 21/06/2020 12:54

[quote JinglingHellsBells]@Alsohuman
In which case why behave as if it’s Ebola? There’s no logic to it.

The logic is that no one knows how they will react. Yes, there are many people who have mild symptoms and people who have had it and won't know until they have the test for antibodies.

BUT the whole point is, no one knows if they will be one of the 50K dead, if they get it, or one of those who barely have a sniffle.

I'd have thought this was obvious.

Age, overall health, race, underlying conditions all affect survival BUT there are still many younger and healthy people who have died.

If you want to take that risk, it's partly up to you, but it's not just your risk- you can pass it on even before you show signs of it, or if you have it.

You may have missed it, but right at the start of this benches and seats in parks were taped off. That is because of transmission risk through touching. No one has proved that was unwarranted, so people who avoid touching gates that hundreds of people have touched a minute before are not being stupid.[/quote]
Very well summarised

Yankathebear · 21/06/2020 13:05

It took me ages to work out that you were using SD as an abbreviation of social distancing rather than step daughter. It makes more sense now.
Sorry.

thedancingbear · 21/06/2020 13:05

And there have been many more cases than the figures show- they estimate there are hundreds of thousands of cases where people have so mild symptoms they don't know, or no symptoms at all

This is a really good point. Asymptomatic covid-19 may be the most dangerous kind, as you don't even know you have it.

VaTeLaverLesMains · 21/06/2020 13:10

Alex50

I *don’t know how you could live your life like this, thinking every time you or your family leave the house you will get infected and be severely ill.
*
Welcome to the wonderful world of shielding

Also people with Ebola are not out walking, they're easy to spot as they are ill. That's why some virologists are saying they're more concerned by covid because of asymptomatic spread.

2beautifulbabs · 21/06/2020 13:11

We've been going out exercising as a family and individually while we are still aware that the virus is around we aren't trying to be overly cautious as it's getting busy again now and sadly you can't keep your distance from others when your passing them or there's large crowds to try and get around .
I've usually avoided touching pedestrian crossings and just waiting for a break in the traffic to cross over.

I don't carry hand gel with me anymore I usually just have it in the car to squirt on when I get back or wash my hands as soon as I'm inside.

Though I have and never will wash down food shopping or isolate parcels or mail ive been carrying on with eating and opening and just washing my hands before and after.
I am trying to get back to as normal as I can including for my DCs sake this is something we will have to live with for a very long time and I don't really want to end up making myself a complete emotional wreck or having a nervous breakdown when someone passes me by too close it will eventually happen when the government say the 2m no longer applies

Guylan · 21/06/2020 13:15

disagree a huge percentage of the deaths have been either people from care homes. A significant percentage of those infections went into care/nursing homes by patients being discharged from hospital without being tested. They moved people too quickly in order to rapidly increase capacity in the nhs without looking at the consequences

I don’t disagree that the govt made a catastrophic decision to not protect the elderly by sending them home from hospital without testing and thus seeding the virus in the most vulnerable place - a care home. Had they shielded them better numbers may have been lower but if ONS are right and the number of deaths is around 60,000, 40,000 deaths if those in care homes had been protected is still a lot of deaths. The data so far without an extremely effective test and trace system from near the start, something our govt did not have, shows lockdown was the right decision but it should have been a couple of weeks earlier.

thedancingbear · 21/06/2020 13:18

I've usually avoided touching pedestrian crossings and just waiting for a break in the traffic to cross over.

This is almost certainly more likely to kill someone in your immediate family than Covid. I can do some sums to show you if that would be helpful, but it would be a bit morbid for both of us.

Guylan · 21/06/2020 13:19

To add to above, I don’t believe the info is showing larger numbers of the excess deaths were not due to coronavirus than coronavirus, though with hospital cleared some of the deaths may have been due to the hospitals very focused on CV.

CorianderLord · 21/06/2020 13:21

Well you were there too.... so

JingsMahBucket · 21/06/2020 14:11

@Carlislemumof4
The virus possibly not surviving as long in sunlight and the risk of surface transmission being lower than prolonged, close, face to face contact becomes 'there's absolutely no risk outside, how ridiculous to suggest you could catch it from a gate'.

Yes, this exactly. That is what I was trying to convey earlier in the thread. People are acting as if sunshine / the outside is complete 100% disinfectant and that is categorically untrue. Transmission may be somewhat reduced outside but that still factors in mask wearing, social distancing, and proper hygiene.

Doing only one of those things, being outside, doesn’t compensate for the efficacy of the other three. It has to be all four in tandem for effective transmission reduction. This is why we’re seeing spikes in southern and western states in the US that shunned mask wearing and social distancing and then reopened on one of the biggest holiday weekends of the year.

EnlightenedOwl · 21/06/2020 16:37

@2beautifulbabs

We've been going out exercising as a family and individually while we are still aware that the virus is around we aren't trying to be overly cautious as it's getting busy again now and sadly you can't keep your distance from others when your passing them or there's large crowds to try and get around . I've usually avoided touching pedestrian crossings and just waiting for a break in the traffic to cross over.

I don't carry hand gel with me anymore I usually just have it in the car to squirt on when I get back or wash my hands as soon as I'm inside.

Though I have and never will wash down food shopping or isolate parcels or mail ive been carrying on with eating and opening and just washing my hands before and after.
I am trying to get back to as normal as I can including for my DCs sake this is something we will have to live with for a very long time and I don't really want to end up making myself a complete emotional wreck or having a nervous breakdown when someone passes me by too close it will eventually happen when the government say the 2m no longer applies

I suggest avoiding using pedestrian crossings is your biggest worry.
FromMarch2020 · 21/06/2020 16:40

"this is how it spreads... "

What mass hysteria...hand wringing, judging others.... is that how it spreads or do you mean something else?