To not understand how pubs / restaurants will work if you still have to socially distance for anybody you don’t live

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At least three pubs/cafes in our town have gone bust so won't be re opening at all. If we do not inject some sense into all this then there will be more. What is the risk of people going for a meal with their own household or maybe a friend? Just avoid people who are coughing or sneezing and wash your hands before and after the meal/and or use sanitiser. Our area has low numbers of virus cases but the number of bankrupt cafes and pubs are going through the roof. We won't be rushing to mass gatherings but will certainly try and get back to eating out again. I am sick and tired of cooking.

I wonder if they will do the same as some countries are doing and you have to give them your name and addresses so test and trace can work

Have just read that Matt Hancock's suggested some form of registration on entering is a possibility.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/21/reopened-pubs-in-england-may-require-drinkers-to-check-in?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Also looking at face coverings and seating arrangements (back to back, side by side as opposed to face to face).

I've read in the local news hairdressers may be taking clients full contact details for track and trace.

We have to give a contact name and phone number before being seated.

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I don't think face masks will be used in pubs and restaurants as it would mean constantly fiddling with them to eat or drink, which is obviously impractical, and have heard experts saying if you wear a mask you mustn't fiddle with it, remove and replace it etc. as you're more likely to spread the virus that way.

The Sunday telegraph claims to have leaked inside information about government plans.

They claim Boris will be announcing a '1meter +' rule where social distancing can be reduced to 1m if face masks are worn but will be 2m if they are not.

Not sure how you drink or eat with a mask on?

Not sure how you drink or eat with a mask on?
Well obviously you will take it off to eat /drink .
In other countries you can take it off at the table it's just walking around the bar/restaurants.

Wear a mask to enter, while you're giving contact details, ordering and collecting drinks, until you're seated. Then remove it while eating and drinking or if sitting outside I imagine. Put it back on to leave.

Staff possibly to be required to wear them at all times.

It's sounding more and more attractive I think we'll stick to eating and drinking at home.

Restaurants have been open for weeks here (germany) first outdoors, then the las few weeks indoors too

We have to write down contact details before our order is taken
No masks while actually sitting at the table

It's good to eat professionally prepared food, where I don't have to do any of the cooking or washing up.

I wonder if managers will get pissed off if staff repeatedly have to self-isolate for 2 weeks after breakouts in pubs/restaurants.

*staff who go out to eat/drink at those places

A big hotel in my city has closed down during the pandemic, 62 staff have lost their jobs, the kind of hotel that on Father's day would have been packed out with families for a sunday dinner. I honestly wonder how many of our local pubs will survive while social distancing of any kind is in action, the local working men's club was struggling before lockdown, the last one of four in the area that used to be packed every night before Wetherspoons appeared & took all their trade.

I did read in one paper someone suggesting wearing masks. I'm not sure I understand how this works when you are consuming food and drink? Anyone?

@imsooverthisdrama

Not sure how you drink or eat with a mask on? Well obviously you will take it off to eat /drink . In other countries you can take it off at the table it's just walking around the bar/restaurants.

Isn't the risk of wearing a mask negated the more you touch it? The mask effectively becomes a virus loading zone, just waiting for you to suck it into your lungs.

I did read in one paper someone suggesting wearing masks. I'm not sure I understand how this works when you are consuming food and drink? Anyone?

Obviously it doesn’t... the wearing of masks will be for moving around the restaurant, going to the toilet etc. I’d be very surprised if face coverings aren’t brought in as part of reducing to 1m - it would be crazy not to - but they wouldn’t be used when eating etc. as seating would be arranged to ensure people in other parties are back to back.

Isn't the risk of wearing a mask negated the more you touch it? The mask effectively becomes a virus loading zone, just waiting for you to suck it into your lungs.

Hasn’t the perspective on face masks changed completely since March-April time. Wearing masks isn’t primarily about protecting you, it’s about protecting others should you happen to be infected. That makes the whole touching face aspect redundant...

Besides, people touch their face anyway, and if virus particles are on your mask, they are more than likely going to be on your food and cutlery!

But if those shedding the virus are limited in the extent they can do this because they are wearing a masks apart from when they are sit facing away from others and eating, the risk of your mask, cutlery and food having virus particles on them is minimised.

I wonder if managers will get pissed off if staff repeatedly have to self-isolate for 2 weeks after breakouts in pubs/restaurants.

Given the level of current infections, hopefully that won’t be a frequent occurrence. If it is, and it’s happening all over the place, it will mean infections are sky-rocketing again and pubs will need to close.

If people want pubs and restaurants to be open, and to remain open.... and for schools to start up in September for that matter, the very worst thing they can do is to say “screw this”, let’s just get back completely to normal. As can be seen from Arizona, that isn’t working out well.

I wonder if managers will get pissed off if staff repeatedly have to self-isolate for 2 weeks after breakouts in pubs/restaurants.

In countries and states that are reopening at a sensible pace, and retaining sensible social distancing strategies, this hasn't been the experience.

People will have to accept test and trace too (and the system needs to improve too)

Some pubs might try and open, but doubt if many will be staying open for long, they just aren't going to be viable businesses anymore, the numbers just won't add up.

I’d avoid a pub if very busy but very happy to go to our local for dinner.

I think anyone who is shielded or at more risk will avoid. Or most will, and anyone who goes will social distance from any at risk relatives.

People have to remember the risk is so tiny for anyone under sixty five with no under lying health issues.

Some pubs might try and open, but doubt if many will be staying open for long, they just aren't going to be viable businesses anymore, the numbers just won't add up.

This is valid. With social distancing in place the amount of customers is cut significantly and many places could struggle to break even. Those with beer gardens will be more successful if we have a decent summer.

Well I know of 2 pubs open already round here.

One is in a village and has a beer garden plus they have filled most of the carpark with tables.

the other is a wine bar in small town, it's a corner plot which opens straight onto the pavement, with mains roads on two sides. people were just drinking leaning against the wall whilst stood on the not so wide pavement.

I was surprised but also not surprised, a local garden centre opened for plants shopping and compost long before they were officially allowed.

nobody really gives a crap around here.

Wonder if pubs could lose their licence if they open before officially allowed to? I know a few are doing takeaways, both food and beer, which is allowed.