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Anyone following what’s happening in the United States?

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Redolent · 19/06/2020 21:31

A lesson in how not to reopen.

20 states are seeing significant increases. Some like Arizona, Florida, California and Texas are breaking records of positive cases and covid hospitalizations. ICUs almost full in Texas. Indoor-dining restaurants and bars have been open for a month or so in some of these states. This is still the first wave for them ...

Will be interesting to see if they lock down some states again. It seems inevitable for Arizona (26% of those who had a Coronavirus test today were positive, which is insane).

Info from NYT:

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

Anyone following what’s happening in the United States?
Anyone following what’s happening in the United States?
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B1rdbra1n · 20/06/2020 23:19

yes Russia very concerning
they have the highest number of defenestrations:(

FunnysInLaJardin · 20/06/2020 23:30

ha sasha I dare not, for fear of being ripped to shreds by the AIBU massive.

Maybe in Chat tho....?

You start the thread and I'll back you?!

0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h · 21/06/2020 00:19

Sasha

Because your opinion sounds remarkably like you're stating facts with insider knowledge of the future or access to stats the rest of us don't have. As the conclusions sound like utter bs it is not surprising to hear you are not, in fact, a scientist. An opinion by the way begins 'I think' - it is not a decree like "We will", especially when it is wholly against current evidence and data. So yes, have your opinion but be aware you sound incredibly poorly informed and a bit like grandpa holding forth about Facebook. Not a clue, mate.

ragged · 21/06/2020 00:54

Which countries did have closed borders by say... Feb 29, this year.
I mean, UK had 20 cases at that point.
South Korea had > 3000 cases.

But I don't think SK had closed borders to any other country on or before 29 Feb. Which is when they had 3000 cases. I'm not sure if they closed the borders at all before 17 March.

You have to get up to about 19 March before UK had >= 3000 confirmed cases.

source: WHO situation reports

Anyone following what’s happening in the United States?
Anyone following what’s happening in the United States?
HerRoyalNotness · 21/06/2020 00:59

I’m in Texas. We had a record 3500 cases this week with a 9% positive rate, Arizona is 17% or so. The who recommends 5% rate before opening. We’re open for business, restaurants, water parks, beaches, national parks etc. The governor has said he will not shut down again. Our county judge tried to make masks mandatory for going out but he shut her and others down. She’s now signed papers to say businesses must insist on masks to enter or be fined to get around this. The people do not like it of course. A few weeks ago it was ‘if you snowflakes are scared stay home’ now they’re looking for other counties they can shop in with no mask. So arrogant. Such a lot of conspiracy theorists and my rights people here. We started relaxing a bit but have decide to stay in as much as possible.

BritWifeinUSA · 21/06/2020 01:06

Looking at the seat rates per million between my stare and the UK, I know where I’d rather be ill. Anyone who thinks the UK is “doing OK” with a death rate of over 600 per million, more than 6 times our rate here, needs to have a word with themselves.

Newjez · 21/06/2020 03:38

@HerRoyalNotness

I’m in Texas. We had a record 3500 cases this week with a 9% positive rate, Arizona is 17% or so. The who recommends 5% rate before opening. We’re open for business, restaurants, water parks, beaches, national parks etc. The governor has said he will not shut down again. Our county judge tried to make masks mandatory for going out but he shut her and others down. She’s now signed papers to say businesses must insist on masks to enter or be fined to get around this. The people do not like it of course. A few weeks ago it was ‘if you snowflakes are scared stay home’ now they’re looking for other counties they can shop in with no mask. So arrogant. Such a lot of conspiracy theorists and my rights people here. We started relaxing a bit but have decide to stay in as much as possible.
Didn't your governor suggest old people should be proud to give up their lives for the economy? Looks like you are going to have a lot of dead proud people soon sadly.

How are your hospitals holding up? The problem with an outbreak is that is already twice as bad as you think it is. So how do you think things will look in ten days when you double?

I feel for the Americas. You guys are getting it bad, and your governments aren't giving you any cover.

Newjez · 21/06/2020 03:41

@annabel85

Haven't Americans basically spent the last month on the streets 'protesting', looting, rioting and ripping down statues?

I'm sure they'll blame Trump for the upsurge in cases though.

Trump wanted to ease lockdown in Easter.

He has done everything he can to ease lockdown and push economy higher despite the risks. He even brags about it.

Sure you may get some upticks from the protests, but trump is mainly responsible for the upswing you are experiencing.

sashagabadon · 21/06/2020 08:21

@0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h

Sasha

Because your opinion sounds remarkably like you're stating facts with insider knowledge of the future or access to stats the rest of us don't have. As the conclusions sound like utter bs it is not surprising to hear you are not, in fact, a scientist. An opinion by the way begins 'I think' - it is not a decree like "We will", especially when it is wholly against current evidence and data. So yes, have your opinion but be aware you sound incredibly poorly informed and a bit like grandpa holding forth about Facebook. Not a clue, mate.

Lol Grin It's true, i'm not neil ferguson Sorry i should have made that clear Confused
DippyAvocado · 21/06/2020 09:07

@BritWifeinUSA

Looking at the seat rates per million between my stare and the UK, I know where I’d rather be ill. Anyone who thinks the UK is “doing OK” with a death rate of over 600 per million, more than 6 times our rate here, needs to have a word with themselves.
From an outside perspective, part of the issue seems to be the different responses of different states as of course the key decisions are made on a federal basis. Which states have handled the pandemic most effectively and how? Are there likely to be travel restrictions put up between different states - is this even possible?
Ibake · 21/06/2020 10:32

@BritWifeinUSA

Looking at the seat rates per million between my stare and the UK, I know where I’d rather be ill. Anyone who thinks the UK is “doing OK” with a death rate of over 600 per million, more than 6 times our rate here, needs to have a word with themselves.
Hardly a fair comparison though (and no I don't think we're doing great) because when you look state by state some states deaths/million are well in excess of 1000.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

None of this will be truly analysable until we're out the other side and looking at excess deaths - including those caused by lockdown itself.

saltycat · 21/06/2020 19:43

Poor old Trump in Tusla Oklahoma (Trump Heartland) last night in front of a tiny audience compared with what was expected.

But I suppose that is fake news now.

MintyMabel · 23/06/2020 00:14

Looking at the seat rates per million between my stare and the UK, I know where I’d rather be ill.

Which state are you in?

How much does your healthcare cost?

I know where I’d rather be.

B1rdbra1n · 23/06/2020 00:22

He was so convinced that his fans would joyfully and willingly cluster together shouting and hollering in an indoor space risking their lives just to demonstrate their loyalty to the dear leader
Hahahahha🤣😆😂

Derbygerbil · 23/06/2020 00:31

Looking at the seat rates per million between my stare and the UK, I know where I’d rather be ill.

Yes, the U.K., without a shadow of a doubt...

Take today:
USA: 30,407 cases out of 328m
UK: 958 cases out of 67m

That’s 7 times fewer cases per head of population!

And the U.K.’S positive test rate is < 1%..... in many states it’s above 10%!

The U.K. may have made mistakes earlier on, but it’s in a far better place that the USA at the moment.

endlessginandtonic · 23/06/2020 00:35

The thing about the USA is that it truly depends which state you are living in.

The southern states who have opened up rapidly but have few safety precautions, not great.

Some of the Midwest ones, opening up gradually with compulsory masks after a long shutdown, probably safer than most of the UK.

HoldMyLobster · 23/06/2020 03:40

From an outside perspective, part of the issue seems to be the different responses of different states as of course the key decisions are made on a federal basis. Which states have handled the pandemic most effectively and how? Are there likely to be travel restrictions put up between different states - is this even possible?

I'm in Maine. We've been reopening gradually since 18th May. Restaurants, shops, beaches, state parks, etc are open. Gatherings of up to 50 are allowed. People have to wear masks if they're indoors or cannot socially distance.

Our death rate is 78 per million compared to the UK at 620 per million. We have the oldest population in the US btw.

Although you can't officially limit transportation between states, we are limiting accommodation for out of staters, which has kept our infection rates down. We will open up more to them soon now that the rates in places like NY, Mass, Conn, NJ etc are dropping. We've opened up to New Hampshire and Vermont which have similarly low rates to us.

At no stage have our hospitals, ICUs or ventilators come anywhere close being full.

Since late May we've massively increased testing to the point where anyone can get a test - in that time our new cases per week have consistently fallen.

I have no plans to visit any of the states that are not doing well - partly because I don't think it's safe, but also because I'd have to quarantine for 14 days upon my return.

I'm glad to see the UK is doing better now, especially as so many of my family work for the NHS, and I've been very worried for them.

I'm hoping as the UK starts reopening its rates continue to stay low - we will have to wait and see.

flack · 23/06/2020 08:21

Does Maine have powers to enforce house arrest conditions for anyone entering from outside Maine?

Mixitupalot · 23/06/2020 08:22

Morning, here’s the latest from CNN

Also revealing that the strain of Covid-19 has mutated there resulting in 5 TIMES more spikes than the strain we have! So together this is all pretty telling.

Anyone following what’s happening in the United States?
hopefulhalf · 23/06/2020 10:15

But I don't think SK had closed borders to any other country on or before 29 Feb. Which is when they had 3000 cases. I'm not sure if they closed the borders at all before 17 March.

Sk had such widespread testing they knew what they were dealing with. Our "3,000" case on March 17 were actually more like 3 million.

choli · 23/06/2020 10:27

@MintyMabel

Looking at the seat rates per million between my stare and the UK, I know where I’d rather be ill.

Which state are you in?

How much does your healthcare cost?

I know where I’d rather be.

I'm in MA. My employer pays for my healthcare. MA has the lowest rate of transmission now in the US, and arguably the best healthcarein the world. I'd much rather be here.
HoldMyLobster · 23/06/2020 14:59

Does Maine have powers to enforce house arrest conditions for anyone entering from outside Maine?

No, and in fact you can't restrict travel between states, officially. In practice what you can do is make accommodation difficult to access, close down tourist attractions (particularly those near the border), reopen slowly and carefully, and enforce measures like mask wearing, distancing, etc when you do reopen.

Also by paying attention to what is not working well in states that are ahead of you, and learning from them - so for example Maine just delayed the reopening of bars, because it's obvious from other states that they result in risky behaviour and spikes in cases.

Contact tracing has also become very important - it's thought that hundreds of infections were prevented recently when a case of Covid was found in a nursing home, and as a result every staff member and resident was immediately tested, and contact tracing done quickly and effectively.

I see the UK is about to start reopening and is reducing social distancing to a metre without enforcing mask wearing. Seems like a strange approach to me coming from a state that has been through a lot of the reopening process without spikes in cases. Hopefully all will go OK.

flack · 23/06/2020 16:49

If UK had cumulative 3 million cases in mid March, then does that mean that there have been by now at least ... I dunno... 6 or 12 million?

12 million would mean about 18% of us have had it, right?

And then the mortality rate could be as low as what, 0.37%?
=44k/12 million (if I haven't flubbbed the math).

MintyMabel · 23/06/2020 20:50

My employer pays for my healthcare.

Let’s hope your job remains safe during the coming recession.

and arguably the best healthcarein the world.

Arguably not.

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CountreeGurl · 23/06/2020 21:13

We are not far behind. My brother lives overseas, in a country that locked down early and now has eradicated Coronavirus. He keeps telling me other countries are shocked at what's happening here and especially shocked that the UK public isn't more outraged at how badly our Govt has handled this.

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