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1600 paediatricians have written to the prime minister

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havefunpeleton · 18/06/2020 06:07

Demanding schools reopen or risk scarring a generation. Reported in Times today.

I am hoping this will be the push needed to ensure this madness ends and all our children can go back to school full time in September.

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ChloeDecker · 18/06/2020 19:11

Chloe - how about you stop selectively quoting what I said and maybe include the next sentence where I talk about councils

Oh I was very aware of what you wrote straight after because the two sentences obviously contradicted each other. Problem is, if left unchecked, other posters will think what you wrote in the opening line was correct.
For you to write the first part of that post, clearly thinking that unions and teachers pushed back on the return to schools (and later continued to in subsequent posts so you definitely thought it) will mean that it needs to be clarified.
You can’t just pretend not to have written something!

OliviaPopeRules · 18/06/2020 19:19

Chloe you saying it isn't true doesn't make it not true. I have you a quote from the union boss saying they didn't want schools to re-open and you just talked about biased reporting. In fact other posters have said they were right to oppose it if it was not safe for the worker they represent. Unions opposed the government plans to re-open schools and you saying I am making it up does not make it so.

OliviaPopeRules · 18/06/2020 19:20

Also 'if left unchecked' wtf are you on about. People can read newspaper and watch the news themselves I don't think they rely on what I write on MN.

ChloeDecker · 18/06/2020 19:27

@OliviaPopeRules

Chloe you saying it isn't true doesn't make it not true. I have you a quote from the union boss saying they didn't want schools to re-open and you just talked about biased reporting. In fact other posters have said they were right to oppose it if it was not safe for the worker they represent. Unions opposed the government plans to re-open schools and you saying I am making it up does not make it so.
You have a couple of words taken out of context that has been clarified by others on this thread. Anyway, it’s clear there is no reasoning with you but I do hope anyone else reading understands. I’ll stop now because it is starting to detract from the real issue discussed on this thread about the lack of planning, guidance. funding and provision of the government on our children.
DomDoesWotHeWants · 18/06/2020 19:37

We need a 3 pronged approach - everyone back in school as normal in September without social distancing.

Social distancing is essential for controlling the spread of the virus, why don't you understand that? Or do you choose to ignore science because it doesn't fit with what you want?

Pointless pretending it can happen without social distancing.

OliviaPopeRules · 18/06/2020 19:39

I don't need reasoning with thanks, I'm not unhinged I just have a different opinion to you.

CallmeAngelina · 18/06/2020 20:06

If I hear one more person banging on about about abandoning Social Distancing in schools because children are "apparently" (not proven) low-risk, I just might spontaneously combust.
WHAT ABOUT THE STAFF????
It is very clear that posters are prepared to cherry-pick the stats they want to justify everyone back asap, regardless and fuck the safety of adults working in the building. Everywhere we go, we see transportation workers, Amazon delivery drivers, shop-workers, nhs staff in PPE and accept that they are entirely within their rights. So why are school staff just expected to man up and get on with it?
I repeat, it has not been proven& that children do not transmit the virus - they have been largely out of circulation for months, so the statistics aren't sufficient to know.
And frankly, the moment Boris said "Schools are safe," was the moment I really began to become alarmed.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 18/06/2020 20:07

@havefunpeleton

Can you sue currently for catching an infectious disease at your place of work?
What? If it's caused by negligence on the part of your employer why shouldn't you? Your employer still has obligations under health and safety legislation. If they contravene that and it causes you harm why shouldn't you be able to resort to the law?
Coffeeandbeans · 18/06/2020 20:14

What happens in nurseries re social distancing? The very low paid staff have had no choice but to go back to work looking after babies and toddlers.

I heard today that my hospital had 6 patients with Covid during the whole of lockdown. I live in the SE. A freedom of information request.

AppleSaf · 18/06/2020 20:16

Oh for goodness with that in mind start working towards opening in Sep for everybody with the social distancing necessary.

I think all schools need to work with the acceptance they will be back in Sep for all and work to the how, whatever it takes. Gov need to be organising this with mobile classrooms and other council properties where needed and possible.

Stop bloody bickering. The WFH can not go on any longer. Those days are gone.

AppleSaf · 18/06/2020 20:17

Are we all allowed to sue for flu and sickness bugs.Hmm

Coffeeandbeans · 18/06/2020 20:21

The children just need to get back to school full time ASAP. What are schools and the govt doing to achieve that? I can’t WFH much longer now so I need my child in school. Either he needs to go to school for education with teaching staff or we turn the whole system upside down and use online teaching schools. Funny how last summer I couldn’t take him out of school for a day as education was so important. Now - well - no one seems to care.

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havefunpeleton · 18/06/2020 20:23

Stop bloody bickering. Indeed. Let's all work together to get schools to reopen for all pupils by September. Let's agree this aim. Jointly

And I ask again. Can you sue for catching a virus? Seems unlikely

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havefunpeleton · 18/06/2020 20:26

If teachers chose to wear 'face coverings' then let them. 95% wont be by Christmas Wink

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 18/06/2020 20:35

@AppleSaf

Are we all allowed to sue for flu and sickness bugs.Hmm
If they are caused by negligence on behalf of your employer, why shouldn't you?

If they tell you that X is safe and you follow their advice and then it isn't, why shouldn't you hold them liable?

It very much depends what the staff is told, what employers are expected to do to keep staff safe etc. Why do hospitals have to provide PPE, supermarkets erect screens to protect staff but school staff just need to take their chances without protection?

mumsneedwine · 18/06/2020 20:38

169 people died in my local hospital. Not sure why you needed a request as it's all on gov website. I am back in school with limited students and a mask that steams up my glasses. I'm wearing it to protect the students as my DD is working on a Covid ward so I am v likely to infect them.
If we are abandoning distancing everywhere then of course schools should fully open. But offices, shops and transport still think it is important so I'm not sure why schools are any different. Children do catch it and do pass it on, even if mortality is low. It's not all about dying, it's about not having long term health issues.
I want to go back to school as do most teachers. We miss the kids and our jobs are in school. Not sure how teachers have been blamed for the government's 42 guidance documents that contradict each other. And guess what. Old Gav is announcing stuff tomorrow, on a Friday. Always a Friday for schools, which we usually have to implement by the Monday. Glad my lesson planning is not so chaotic.

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havefunpeleton · 18/06/2020 20:43

If your mask is steaming up your glasses it's not working Wink

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Bishybarnybee · 18/06/2020 20:48

Havefunpeleton the winks are getting on my nerves now.

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havefunpeleton · 18/06/2020 20:48

No one can ever say anything is safe @Hearhoovesthinkzebras Sad but that's life. No such thing as safe. It's about reducing risk. My question was can you sue if you catch a virus at work... seems unlikely

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CarrieBlue · 18/06/2020 20:55

Funny how last summer I couldn’t take him out of school for a day as education was so important. Now - well - no one seems to care.

Does this really have to be explained to you? Hmm

FrippEnos · 18/06/2020 21:00

My question was can you sue if you catch a virus at work... seems unlikely

Given the amount of provision that is being put in place for people, SD, PPE, extra cleaning, deep cleaning etc.

To just stop that and say that it is safe, the answer I suspect would be yes, as it is the employers duty of care to provide a safe environment.

But it would make an interesting test case. especially as teachers that have returned to school under those measures have contracted the virus.

CallmeAngelina · 18/06/2020 21:02

@CarrieBlue

Funny how last summer I couldn’t take him out of school for a day as education was so important. Now - well - no one seems to care.

Does this really have to be explained to you? Hmm

Save your breath, Carrie.

There's no telling stupid some people.

FrippEnos · 18/06/2020 21:02

Coffeeandbeans
Funny how last summer I couldn’t take him out of school for a day as education was so important. Now - well - no one seems to care.

The answer to this can be said in one word.

Government.

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havefunpeleton · 18/06/2020 21:04

Are you a lawyer @FrippEnos

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FrippEnos · 18/06/2020 21:05

@havefunpeleton

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