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Will you get healthier to show your appreciation or was clapping enough?

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thenamesarealltaken · 06/06/2020 15:28

Firsty, I'm.sorry if my paragraphs all disappear, as they seem to after I submit, which makes it hard to read. Sorry it's long...

If those who can get healthier, try to, we'll not be expecting our front line workers to take risks with their lives. We clapped for them, now maybe we should be proactive.

Not only us though, front line key workers, especially BAME people, should be advised, encouraged and even supported to get and stay healthy, as they are exposed to more viruses on a daily basis than most.

I try to explain below - sorry it's long....

I've been researching this virus since December and researching for years about how our bodies work, from a holistic view, including how we fight prevent or reverse what some refer to as 'earned' disease, ie. not something we're born with.

Viruses replicate. But, the sars-cov-2 virus is quite sticky compared to the flu and common cold viruses. So that makes it a little harder for our bodies to get rid of it and while it's there, it's replicating and potentially turning into the disease, known as Covid-19 - that is when the real problems start.

Medical professionals have described how this garden thistle/burr like virus sticks more to people with a lot of visceral fat, which makes sense. This gives it time to replicate more, for longer. So the 'skinny fat' and obese are at risk. Many will not have diagnosed illnesses and often seem healthy. But, in bodies like this, or in people who are over exposed to the virus, like some of our front line key workers are, the virus has the potential to replicate a lot more and therefore, potentially cause them to end up with the more destructive Covid-19 disease.

Most of us rely on our immune system to just get on and fight these viruses and generally it does, often without us realising. But, increasingly many don't have such a good immune system anymore. Those with poor diets, deficiencies and other issues such as high stress, poor sleep, hormonal issues, inflammation, poor gut health, deficiencies, such as vit D, overuse of medication, etc., might have weaker immune systems, maybe not consistently. This might not manifest itself as a diagnosed illness or even be known about unless a virus is caught and the person cannot seem to shake it off or for some time. But you know when your immune system is working, when you have fever and aches - that's your body using its resources to fight the virus or infection, leaving other areas weakened.

In the case of people with darker skin living in regions with, on average, low sunshine, the darker their skin, the harder it is for them to absorb vitamin D. So it makes sense to me that a BAME person with a lowered immune system, might be at a higher risk of ending up with Covid-19 if exposed to the virus.

Sadly many BAME people living in countries like the UK are not advised or encouraged to address this and as a consequence, develop disease over time. BAME health workers for example, could be supported more by ensuring they are receiving the right combination of supplements and time out during the day. I think all front line key workers should be given free, regular check ups and during a crisis like this pandemic, given shift patterns that allow them to keep their immune system strong, and of course, they should definitely have PPE.

And of course, what about front line key workers who spend time with our babies and children.... I agree about the low risk of children spreading the virus. A lot of children have super strong immune systems because they're not old enough to have degraded their systems. Although those with a terrible lifestyle might have slightly weaker immune systems. Still, it takes years! Children fight most viruses very quickly compared with adults. Before viruses have a chance to replicate too much, they're gone. Children who already have other diseases and ill health, of course, need shielding. But, in general, we still need to ensure our children are not deficient and I believe in the idea of giving them all a highly nutritious free school meal, unless of course they have medically advised special dietary requirements.

But, the government can't do everything. We insisted for decades we didn't want a nanny state, then proceeded to fill up on burgers, chips, pizza, cake,... sweetners, protein powder! junk! We sit at office desks, in front of games consoles, in front of TVs, snacking, eating crisps, biscuits, cup cakes, drinking fizzy drinks, alcohol, etc. Look at so many people's stomachs... its visceral fat. Our bodies degrade year in year out. Ok, not all, but a huge percentage and over time, people's immune systems are weakening and their body's internals are degrading, not so gracefully. So we end up catching, keeping and spreading illness, as we struggle to fight it. Again, potentially harming our clapped for key workers.

And finally, a vaccination, if you're keen, will only be effective if you're healthy and your immune system can fight the virus they inject you with! It won't be known for years what the long term impacts are. So, I don't see a magic potion appearing anytime soon as it needs thorough testing.

So, we need to look at ourselves honestly and ask, are we doing all we can to fight this virus and others like it? Are we taking responsibility for the health of ourselves, those who depend on us and being considerate to those around us?

To those who are not, please keep socially distant, isolate for longer, use santiser when shopping, wear masks, gloves, anything to stop the spread of viruses your body holds onto, while you get your body's (internals) in better condition. Sorry to sound blunt! I've got a bit of work to do too, so I'll look at me in the mirror and say the same. Having said that, I rarely eat junk and do try to stay healthy. But, I work all day long, including some evenings and night too, at a computer, so I need to address getting healthier too.

What are you doing or going to do to prepare yourself for the end of lockdown, given that the virus WILL be still be around and other viruses are bound to follow? Will you get healthier, even if just to show your appreciation, or was clapping enough?

OP posts:
TinyPigeon · 07/06/2020 10:29

How would they prove that then @ILoveAllRainbowsx ? How would the undeserving fatties prove they were trying? What if they were trying and not losing weight? No prizes there- let the fuckers die ay?

I see your love for rainbows does not extend to actual people? Only meteorological phenomenon.

GetOutOfThereHoggle · 07/06/2020 10:35

I didn't read the replies as calling out vulnerable people. I understand the core of what was meant. Covid totally aside, our NHS is stretched to the max and a lot is due to the weight of preventable diseases, caused by poor lifestyle choices. The NHS is meant to be a safety net, not as a way to fix you once you've made several bad choices and continuously abused your body without a care of the consequence. This isn't an issue so much about covid, I've been saying the same thing for years. If people looked after themselves properly, the nhs would not be as stretched. I do think the focus should be more on prevention rather than treatment after the effect. I am of course talking only about avoidable diseases, ones that are caused through poor choices with lifestyle...
Anyone agree or am I about to get flamed?!

GetOutOfThereHoggle · 07/06/2020 10:35

That first sentence was meant to say I didn't interpret the replies as calling out vulnerable. I did read the replies..

TheMurk · 07/06/2020 10:38

I don’t know why the NHS has suddenly been canonised as some sort of infallible centre of miracles and hugs when my experience of it is the total opposite.

Waiting too long to be seen for an aggressive cancer led my mum to lose a third of her tongue. The care she received in the 6 months she spent in and out of hospital was basic at best, cruel at times, lazy, half arsed, wasteful and laced with resentment (because some of the procedures she needed were unpleasant for the person carrying them out, one nurse in particular visibly gagged the whole way through).

Indeed right now the population is not actually receiving the vast majority of the health services we need, expect, and still pay for while the system is paused for coronavirus.

And the result of this pause will have the NHS on its knees by the end of the year as they try to catch up with a huge backlog of appointments, deal with people sicker than they should because of the wait and therefore needing more complex and expensive procedures, and yet still face being lobbied for their staff to be paid more - yes even the lazy, rude resentful ones who make many patients lives hell for the duration they are under their “care”.

No claps from me.

Floatyboat · 07/06/2020 10:39

What research did you do in December about the virus?

Sunshiney1981 · 07/06/2020 10:41

Yes I do agree Hoggle which is what I wrote in my post a few back. The NHS is under huge pressure in normal times because of our huge health problems in the UK caused by crappy ultra processed, sugar laden diets and unhealthy lifestyle - type 2 diabetes, obesity, heart disease, some autoimmunity.
Our very high death rate is in part attributable to this very fact.

BamboozledandBefuddled · 07/06/2020 10:43

@TinyPigeon A member of the Fat Police would be assigned to follow you 24/7. And if you tried and failed, you clearly wouldn't have been trying hard enough.

raviolidreaming · 07/06/2020 10:45

Sunshiney1981 - same, and I'd be too hungry to sleep if I hadn't eaten since 6pm!

Sunshiney1981 · 07/06/2020 10:48

@TheMurk I’m sorry to read what happened to your Mum. Her experience with the NHS and their staff sounds very unpleasant and unprofessional and is not my experience thankfully. My DD had a liver transplant and couldn’t have received better care.

I say it again - the NHS is under HUGE pressure all the time because of preventable lifestyle related illness and disease in the UK. This impacts on those who need it through no fault of their own. It’s wrong.

Shinyletsbebadguys · 07/06/2020 10:50

OP are you honestly under the impression that this is new information to anyone? That getting healthier will help our longevity , ability to fight the virus and ease pressure on the NHS? Well dammit if only we had all known Hmm ....oh wait we did.

Excellent , here we go I am your poster child , I've lost 8 stone in the last year to get to a lower ish end BMI , we all as a family take VItamin D and specific other vitamins , we don't smoke and I don't drink. We exercise 5 days a week....and I think you are incredibly patronising.

It wasn't a sodding cakewalk to lose the weight (hah or non cake walk geddit? Grin Ahem sorry), there are a hundred reasons why it's not as easy to do as you claim, if I don't have the money for Vit D it makes it harder , Dp has had to take the only job he could find which means working away in the week currently so walks are going to be a damn sight harder.

But I am one of the lucky ones,my life is sodding eden compared to the barriers some people face.

Stop treating people like idiots and speaking down to them (before you claim you weren't being condescending , yes you are just because you claim you didn't mean to be doesn't mean you weren't) treat people like adults

Apply your own " research" to yourself by all means...crack on, go away from telling other people what to do.

SecretSpAD · 07/06/2020 11:05

I'll wait for the systematic review and subsequent public health guidance thanks.

missperegrinespeculiar · 07/06/2020 13:48

No, anyone over a certain BMI wouldn't be treated unless they could prove they were trying and actually losing weight. It would be quite easy to enforce.

Jesus, the ignorance and nastiness is astounding! maybe try and read a little bit about obesity? but not Cosmopolitan, I mean, read science, about socio-economic and genetic determinants of obesity for example?

People are so quick to want to deny care to people overweight, because we are a fat-hating society

But think about the principle you are endorsing, so you only get health care if your injury or illness is not your fault, right?

Ok, what about sport injuries caused by overexercising? no treatment? what about falling over after getting drunk? no treatment, sprained ankle while wearing high heels? tough luck, wear flats next time! you got a cold? ah! but were you wearing a jacket when you went out?

Or is it only fat people you want excluded?

BamboozledandBefuddled · 07/06/2020 14:02

*But think about the principle you are endorsing, so you only get health care if your injury or illness is not your fault, right?

Ok, what about sport injuries caused by overexercising? no treatment? what about falling over after getting drunk? no treatment, sprained ankle while wearing high heels? tough luck, wear flats next time! you got a cold? ah! but were you wearing a jacket when you went out?*

Don't stop there. Car accident - was your journey essential? No? Sod off then? All those cuts, burns, DIY accidents - nah, you were clumsy, they're self inflicted. Pregnancy? But you chose to get pregnant!! Bugger off and have your child in a ditch!! And you can probably wryte healthcare for children off completely has nobody has to have them, do they?

BamboozledandBefuddled · 07/06/2020 14:02

Write, not wryte. I need to clean my screen so I can see what I'm typing!

QuornHub · 07/06/2020 14:08

OP, that's a lot of words for 'I don't like far people'.

HeIenaDove · 07/06/2020 16:14

Heres my weight loss experience OP And how i was treated by the NHS during and after. Posted on another thread two years ago.

HelenaDove Mon 22-Oct-18 19:49:58
I lost 10 stone 16 years ago.. I got gallstones and it got so bad i couldnt eat SOLID food. i went through months and months of excrutiating pain and A + E admission. In and out of A + E for TEN MONTHS. then doctors coming to my home to give me morphine injections whenever i had an attack . Finally a doctor prescribed me morphine pills which melted under the tongue that i took every time i had an attack. First attack was 3 July 2002 Scan was on 19 Dec 2002 after months of A + E admissions . Early Feb 2003 i got a letter telling me id have to wait for ANOTHER YEAR. I cried my eyes out and actually considered suicide. It was only after a private consultation with a surgeon and then another admission to hospital and an NHS appointment with the same surgeon that my op was promised within 6 weeks It was done 5 weeks later on 28 April 2003.id lost 8 stone by the time i had my op. The surgeon and two doctors told me it was caused by losing weight too fast. (slimming world) The pain was excrutiating and the first attack appeared after id lost nearly 4 stone. Back then i had no idea fast weight loss could cause gallstones I was losing a stone a month and whenever i did try to slow it down i either stayed the same or gained.

I actually did seriously consider suicide especially after i got the letter telling me id have to wait ANOTHER YEAR. I thought it was beyond cruel especially when id lost the weight by myself with willpower.

i believe due to mixing tramadol with as many over the counter drugs as i could in the early months to stop the pain i have been left with long term issues and its also left a bitter taste in the mouth TBH. Im grateful for the NHS but i was in so much pain i was thinking of overdosing (which i was bloody close to anyway) i also think the fact i won Class Slimmer of the Year and started to appear in our local papers may have been a factor in me getting the op sooner than that awful letter said but i shall never know

HeIenaDove · 07/06/2020 16:15

Wank yourself silly over that OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

derxa · 07/06/2020 16:48

Sorry OP I've just been diagnosed with BC so I won't be guilt tripped thanks.

ravensoaponarope · 07/06/2020 17:02

@ILoveAllRainbowsx
No, anyone over a certain BMI wouldn't be treated unless they could prove they were trying and actually losing weight. It would be quite easy to enforce.

What about those of us with an eating disorder? Would the NHS fund effective treatment for it first?
What about those on life-saving medications that cause weight gain?

HeIenaDove · 07/06/2020 19:10

@derxa Thanks

BogRollBOGOF · 07/06/2020 21:56

I've reformed my lifestyle since March...
Given up about 15 school runs per week
Stopped training for races (should have run a half marathon this morning)
Given up on fitness classes
Taken up boredom snacking
Increased full sugar fizzy drinks for the pleasant feeling in my mouth. Including energy drinks for some kind of motivational kick.
Eating a carb fest as I try to keep ravenous, lean children filled up.
Given up on salad for lunch as no one else in the house likes it.
More cakes and biscuits etc because in the absence of anything to do and look forwards to.you've got to have something to look fowards to.
Dropped my morning yoga routine because what's the point in jumping out of bed abd making a day feel even longer and the house is like an explosion in a Lego factory.

Daily calorie burn down to 1500 calories from about 2000.

I'm not overweight yet, but I'm working on it. While being deprived of most elements of my life, and in constant company with others, I just don't have the distraction and will power to force normal healthy routines upon myself.

Ironic really!

RaisinsRuinEverything · 07/06/2020 22:20

Did the clapping most weeks except when I forgot Blush but I made a rainbow! 🌈

KeepWashingThoseHands · 07/06/2020 23:36

Well let's hope people aren't asked for DNA samples as this is all starting to sound a bit Gattaca to me.

Fatness will be the least of your problems.

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