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Will you get healthier to show your appreciation or was clapping enough?

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thenamesarealltaken · 06/06/2020 15:28

Firsty, I'm.sorry if my paragraphs all disappear, as they seem to after I submit, which makes it hard to read. Sorry it's long...

If those who can get healthier, try to, we'll not be expecting our front line workers to take risks with their lives. We clapped for them, now maybe we should be proactive.

Not only us though, front line key workers, especially BAME people, should be advised, encouraged and even supported to get and stay healthy, as they are exposed to more viruses on a daily basis than most.

I try to explain below - sorry it's long....

I've been researching this virus since December and researching for years about how our bodies work, from a holistic view, including how we fight prevent or reverse what some refer to as 'earned' disease, ie. not something we're born with.

Viruses replicate. But, the sars-cov-2 virus is quite sticky compared to the flu and common cold viruses. So that makes it a little harder for our bodies to get rid of it and while it's there, it's replicating and potentially turning into the disease, known as Covid-19 - that is when the real problems start.

Medical professionals have described how this garden thistle/burr like virus sticks more to people with a lot of visceral fat, which makes sense. This gives it time to replicate more, for longer. So the 'skinny fat' and obese are at risk. Many will not have diagnosed illnesses and often seem healthy. But, in bodies like this, or in people who are over exposed to the virus, like some of our front line key workers are, the virus has the potential to replicate a lot more and therefore, potentially cause them to end up with the more destructive Covid-19 disease.

Most of us rely on our immune system to just get on and fight these viruses and generally it does, often without us realising. But, increasingly many don't have such a good immune system anymore. Those with poor diets, deficiencies and other issues such as high stress, poor sleep, hormonal issues, inflammation, poor gut health, deficiencies, such as vit D, overuse of medication, etc., might have weaker immune systems, maybe not consistently. This might not manifest itself as a diagnosed illness or even be known about unless a virus is caught and the person cannot seem to shake it off or for some time. But you know when your immune system is working, when you have fever and aches - that's your body using its resources to fight the virus or infection, leaving other areas weakened.

In the case of people with darker skin living in regions with, on average, low sunshine, the darker their skin, the harder it is for them to absorb vitamin D. So it makes sense to me that a BAME person with a lowered immune system, might be at a higher risk of ending up with Covid-19 if exposed to the virus.

Sadly many BAME people living in countries like the UK are not advised or encouraged to address this and as a consequence, develop disease over time. BAME health workers for example, could be supported more by ensuring they are receiving the right combination of supplements and time out during the day. I think all front line key workers should be given free, regular check ups and during a crisis like this pandemic, given shift patterns that allow them to keep their immune system strong, and of course, they should definitely have PPE.

And of course, what about front line key workers who spend time with our babies and children.... I agree about the low risk of children spreading the virus. A lot of children have super strong immune systems because they're not old enough to have degraded their systems. Although those with a terrible lifestyle might have slightly weaker immune systems. Still, it takes years! Children fight most viruses very quickly compared with adults. Before viruses have a chance to replicate too much, they're gone. Children who already have other diseases and ill health, of course, need shielding. But, in general, we still need to ensure our children are not deficient and I believe in the idea of giving them all a highly nutritious free school meal, unless of course they have medically advised special dietary requirements.

But, the government can't do everything. We insisted for decades we didn't want a nanny state, then proceeded to fill up on burgers, chips, pizza, cake,... sweetners, protein powder! junk! We sit at office desks, in front of games consoles, in front of TVs, snacking, eating crisps, biscuits, cup cakes, drinking fizzy drinks, alcohol, etc. Look at so many people's stomachs... its visceral fat. Our bodies degrade year in year out. Ok, not all, but a huge percentage and over time, people's immune systems are weakening and their body's internals are degrading, not so gracefully. So we end up catching, keeping and spreading illness, as we struggle to fight it. Again, potentially harming our clapped for key workers.

And finally, a vaccination, if you're keen, will only be effective if you're healthy and your immune system can fight the virus they inject you with! It won't be known for years what the long term impacts are. So, I don't see a magic potion appearing anytime soon as it needs thorough testing.

So, we need to look at ourselves honestly and ask, are we doing all we can to fight this virus and others like it? Are we taking responsibility for the health of ourselves, those who depend on us and being considerate to those around us?

To those who are not, please keep socially distant, isolate for longer, use santiser when shopping, wear masks, gloves, anything to stop the spread of viruses your body holds onto, while you get your body's (internals) in better condition. Sorry to sound blunt! I've got a bit of work to do too, so I'll look at me in the mirror and say the same. Having said that, I rarely eat junk and do try to stay healthy. But, I work all day long, including some evenings and night too, at a computer, so I need to address getting healthier too.

What are you doing or going to do to prepare yourself for the end of lockdown, given that the virus WILL be still be around and other viruses are bound to follow? Will you get healthier, even if just to show your appreciation, or was clapping enough?

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Twattergy · 06/06/2020 17:09

There's plenty of things society at large should do to help save the time efforts and resources of the NHS these include:
Not getting into fights or drinking alcohol to excess at weekends and blocking up A&E and wasting doctors time
Not going in to A&E or GPs with minor ailments
Beating up, attacking people in general

Getting a healthy BMI is a good life decision generally, and yes down the line will help ease pressure on NHS too.

MashedSpud · 06/06/2020 17:10

I plan to eat what I like and enjoy life while I’m alive.

You’re also welcome to do as you choose.

chilledteacher · 06/06/2020 17:14

I've started exercising and dieting. Lost a stone so far. A long way to go but feel better for it. Started couch to 5K and am coming to the end of week 2. We are going on long family walks every day and I intend to carry these out as much as possible at weekends/in the holidays/occasionally in the evenings when things return to normal. Was taking vitamins anyway but am looking for one with a higher vitamin D content.
I suppose however clichéd the expression I am eating less and moving more!

RainMustFall · 06/06/2020 17:27

What are you doing or going to do to prepare yourself for the end of lockdown.

Why do you want to know? Why is it any of your business what anyone else does? Worry about your own life.

I've never clapped so assume it's safe for me to carry on enjoying drinking more alcohol than I did before lockdown.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 06/06/2020 17:29

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managedmis · 06/06/2020 17:31

Yip, there's a lot of chubsters around who need to shift the blubber

Lovingmylife · 06/06/2020 17:35

I put myself on a diet three weeks ago because I want to reduce my risk as much as possible.

Everythingsgoingmyway · 06/06/2020 17:37

It is so hilarious to me when people say 'well I hope the NHS won't treat you if you don't keep yourself well'.

The NHS would collapse if they removed all the staff that are overweight, smoke, drink too much, don't exercise etc.

They also haven't seen the many NHS staff on wards during CV stuffing down (and fighting over) free pizza, Nandos, crispy cremes, easter eggs, greasy takeaways etc and going home to down a bottle of wine or two.

And they'd be horrified at the 'CV crisis is over' nights out that will happen and will involve huge amounts of binge drinking for many 😂

BamboozledandBefuddled · 06/06/2020 17:49

I hope you won't be using the NHS when you inevitably become ill. I think the NHS should stop treating people like you

No problem. Just refund me 75% of everything I've paid in income tax, NI, tobacco duty and alcohol duty. I'll also have VED and petrol duty back as a good chunk of that goes to the NHS. And I'll have 50% of VAT back. I don't have a problem with paying for my own healthcare but I'm not paying into a system I can't use. And buggered if I'll agree to pay for anyone else to use it!

B1rdbra1n · 06/06/2020 18:00

I've always been a total health freak and I intend to continue

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 06/06/2020 20:18

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Everythingsgoingmyway · 06/06/2020 20:29

@ILoveAllRainbows

So then your proposed idea of the NHS not treating people that don't look after themselves was even more shit wasn't it? 😂

BamboozledandBefuddled · 06/06/2020 21:59

@ILoveAllRainbowsx How the hell do I know how it would work? D'you think I'm Google? You don't want me to use a service I've paid into and when I say give me a refund and I'll go elsewhere, you say it's impossible. With clarity of thought like that, have you ever considered applying for a post in the Cabinet?

KeepWashingThoseHands · 06/06/2020 22:25

OP

Whilst people taking care of their health is a good thing, it's very clear from your post you have no scientific or medical qualifications - so perhaps you might want to think about what you're posting on the internet as advise and fact in the future, when it's just your (learned Googled) opinion.

Sunshiney1981 · 07/06/2020 07:07

Whilst I think the op is patronizing and goady, there is a very important point in this topic.
The obesity and poor health of the U.K. has undoubtedly contributed to our high death toll.
We are sadly like the USA now in terms of diet and lifestyle. Just look at the stats on obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, autoimmunity - most of which is avoidable.

Many many people I know (in different classes) eat and drink utter rubbish. The sugar, the junk food, the fizzy drinks, the excess alcohol, the ultra processed convenience food. It’s so far removed from what our bodies are designed for our bodies can’t cope.

I’m cheered to see that Covid has for some been the wake up call to address this. I applaud those in here taking stock and losing weight and getting healthy.

oohnicevase · 07/06/2020 07:10

Yes !! I've lost a stone in isolation and taken up cycling and I walk loads anyway . I intend to lose another stone too. I want to give myself the best chance if I get it .!

Eyewhisker · 07/06/2020 08:15

YANBU - although we can’t obviate risk, we can all reduce it. Fasting is very effective and after a week of 16:8, I was amazed to find that I just stopped feeling hungry. It costs nothing.

Japan has been pretty much unscathed by the virus, partly because it has a healthy population with one of the lowest obesity rates in the world.

raviolidreaming · 07/06/2020 08:20

vaccination, if you're keen, will only be effective if you're healthy and your immune system can fight the virus they inject you with!

So much research and yet you don't seem aware that the Oxford vaccine being trialled here isn't a live vaccine.

VaTeLaverLesMains · 07/06/2020 08:27

Your basically trying to blame people for being vulnerable.

Like many people with chronic disease on the shielding list I do everything I can to be healthy.

I even 'look' healthy.

I'm sure if there was a vitamin or lifestyle measure which would make me less vulnerable the medical professionals would not be giving very expensive drugs to people like me.

VaTeLaverLesMains · 07/06/2020 08:27

You're ffs

Sunshiney1981 · 07/06/2020 08:59

I don’t think the op is talking about those shielding per se.
She’s talking about lifestyle factors that affect health generally.
My daughter is a liver transplant patient and has been shielding and is also very healthy in every other way. Lifestyle and diet are as good as can be. She takes responsibility for her own health as far as possible and is in a sense lowering her vulnerability to Covid as far as possible using diet, vitamins and exercise. Also good sleep and reducing stress. Even those shielding can help themselves to an large extent.

Fasting is interesting to me, is 16:8 where you eat for 16 hours of the day only? Wouldn’t 14:10 be more effective?

raviolidreaming · 07/06/2020 09:01

Fasting is interesting to me, is 16:8 where you eat for 16 hours of the day only?

That would be an amazing diet! Grin Alas, it's the other way around - you fast for 16 and eat for 8.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 07/06/2020 10:08

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FriendlyDog · 07/06/2020 10:13

Very long winded post to say fatties, partcularly BAME fatties are hypocrites to clap.

Sunshiney1981 · 07/06/2020 10:28

@raviolidreaming

Ah I see! I’ve read about daily fasting but only really seen in where you eat within a 10 hour window say and then fast for the other 14. 16:8 seems a bit extreme for most people I think. So you’d only eat say between 10am and 6pm? I’d be ravenous by 10am 😆

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