Three mothers considering legal action over impact of social distancing on children

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I have to admit that I hadn't even thought the long term impact through of social distancing on children although it has made me so sad when my DC have seen their friends around and only waved sadly at each other from a distance.

My DC's primary school hasn't reopened today and no words from the headteacher to update us on their plan.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8374849/Three-mothers-considering-legal-battle-Government-school-closures.html#comments

i’d suggest starting by getting them to watch interviews with Jewish people who are old now, but who escaped the concentration camps in WW2. That might give them some perspective what a disgusting stupid comment- and I’m
Jewish. God forbid anyone should ever have an issue when you compare it to a concentration camp!

[quote Uhoh2020]@Hear yes the numbers have been small but so has the space occupied and the teaching staff supervising so the dynamics are still the same[/quote]
Sorry, I don't understand. Two schools I know of one has had under ten students in and the other had one student. In normal sized classrooms.

I agree it does have an affect on their mental health. However my dd has had covid-19, and was extremely poorly. It was terrifying to sit in a room with her, just waiting and hoping and begging her to get better.
Mental health is so important, but if keeping children apart for a little bit longer keeps them safe and alive, then I don't see how we can argue with that.

@Mascotte

But *@Msmcc1212* that's ridiculous: the vast majority of people, even those over 80 who are most at risk, survive and the huge majority are only mildly ill.

Can you define "mildly ill"

Yes, I can, feel anything between asymptomatic to laid up feeling awful fir a week or two. That's the norm.

lol, the very idea is pathetic

@Mascotte

Yes, I can, feel anything between asymptomatic to laid up feeling awful fir a week or two. That's the norm.

Do you have figures to back up that being the norm? Only the figures that I've seen suggest possibly 40% asymptomatic, 80% have a mild illness, except mild illness isn't defined other than not needing hospital admission. Many people are eight weeks into their mild illness however and no one seems to be keeping data on it, so just wondering where your figures for one to two weeks being the norm comes from.

A tiny percentage die. That's my point. Most are very old. This is lunacy

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras theres been around 30-40 in the 2 schools near me (1 my dc school and the other opposite my house I can see certainly what goes on outside but also from a friend who works there from the inside), 2 classrooms no social distancing no ppe no tape on the floors or desks. Just as it was before with the same child to adult ratio. Mums and Dads going to work as normal not all healthcare workers with ppe mixing with others , sometimes on public transport. How many cases in both schools as a result? None

And this is not the point of this thread. And @Hearhoovesthinkzebras I can't be doing with arguing with your distorted reality on every thread.

@mascotte you're speaking so so much sense.

For what it's worth mine have all been in emergency care at school with around 20 other kids. Most of the parents work in the community or hospitals. No illness, and certainly no deaths. I do not understand the hysteria. Life is not safe. People get ill and die. This in unquestionably sad but we cannot stop normal life to avoid it.

@Mascotte

A tiny percentage die. That's my point. Most are very old. This is lunacy

But it isn't just dying that's a concern. It's younger people catching it and the long term health implications that might bring. No one knows yet because it is a novel virus but young people have been in ITU requiring dialysis, some have had amputations, some have had cardio myopathy or encephalitis - each of those are likely to cause on going issues but they aren't in the death statistics so where are they recorded? Where are the stats for number of people recovered, number of people still recovering, long term affected? Being dead isn't the only negative outcome from this and yet that's all some people focus on - well only the over 80s are dying so it's ok. So it's ok for a thirty something to lose a leg, suffer renal failure or cardiac damage or brain injury then is it because they aren't dead?

[quote Uhoh2020]@Hearhoovesthinkzebras theres been around 30-40 in the 2 schools near me (1 my dc school and the other opposite my house I can see certainly what goes on outside but also from a friend who works there from the inside), 2 classrooms no social distancing no ppe no tape on the floors or desks. Just as it was before with the same child to adult ratio. Mums and Dads going to work as normal not all healthcare workers with ppe mixing with others , sometimes on public transport. How many cases in both schools as a result? None[/quote]
And that's great but anecdotes aren't data.

@spotty @Mascotte you both speak sense!

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras and your reference to schools in your area was data and not anecdotal!
Show me some data of teacher/child infection and death rates of those still attending then....

No one is saying there isnt risk of course there is but the action and response taken must be proportionate to that risk

[quote Uhoh2020]@Hearhoovesthinkzebras and your reference to schools in your area was data and not anecdotal!
Show me some data of teacher/child infection and death rates of those still attending then....[/quote]
That's the whole point - where is that data? We certainly aren't seeing it, they don't even have accurate records of infection rates. Patrick Valance said today that the number of confirmed, by test, cases was a couple of thousand roughly but that it's widely accepted that it's actually between 8 and 9000 new cases per day. They're now encouraging everyone with symptoms to get tested although many of those tests are delayed or list. The test and trace system doesn't know how many tests it's currently dealing with - the data is appalling. So it would be great to see data around schools. There was one school in the news yesterday where a lot of staff have tested positive but most were asymptomatic so they've had to close, so it definitely is a possibility that it will spread through schools. Why doesn't government have, and publish, proper data on deaths, infection rates, occupation, recovery, morbidity?

@Uhoh2020

No one is saying there isnt risk of course there is but the action and response taken must be proportionate to that risk

But we don't know what the risks are, so how do you work out what is proportionate?

Patrick Valance and Chris Whitty seem worried and very cautious, most other countries are being very cautious. I'll take my lead from them rather than from Boris or people on MN desperate for a McDonald's or Costa.

So if theres no data what makes your argument any stronger than mine?

1 school in the news that had to close out of how many schools in the country! Just shows how media and propaganda affect the thought and mind set of the country. All focus is on the negative

Bloody ridiculous!

A lot of people will have long term mental complications as a result of social distancing, not just their DC.

I'm also amazed those mothers could 100% know there wouldn't have been serious consequences for anyone, if their children hadn't practised social distancing, contracted it and passed it on.

@Uhoh2020

So if theres no data what makes your argument any stronger than mine?

Because I'm listening to doctors and scientists who are studying this and who are openly talking about what they are seeing. I'm.under the care of two of the biggest London teaching hospitals - both of my consultants have spoken to me about what's been happening and about what their fears for me are should I catch it.

Not once has anyone said "oh don't worry. For the vast majority it's a mild illness over done with in a couple of weeks".

@Uhoh2020

1 school in the news that had to close out of how many schools in the country! Just shows how media and propaganda affect the thought and mind set of the country. All focus is on the negative

But that's your interpretation. They didn't say one school out of all the schools in the UK, it was a school in the area in which they were filming. Now, it might well be the only school in the UK with teachers with COVID, I don't know. Is there any data being recorded about instances in schools or is this another case of suck it and see? Government not really sure what will happen, but sod it, let's do it and see. Might be ok, might not. Oh well.

Exactly you dont know but you want to focus on the 1 negative aspect of the story in the media. If they told story's from the opposite perspective people would feel and act differently. Headline "999 out of 1000 schools have remained open during the Coronavirus outbreak " doesnt quite have the same impact does it

At least those mothers are thinking of children instead of obsessing madly on their own skewed view of the risk to themselves and others.