Breaking news for shielding

[ClientQ]

Interesting. Sturgeon has tweeted to say strongly it does not apply to Scotland. It also mentions 10 weeks in the article so maybe an extension but with allowances to go outside?
More to be announced tomorrow apparently

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52862440

'Allowed?' People in the shielding group have been advised to stay in their homes, not confined by law. Johnson really is showing himself to be utterly clueless about the guidance his own government is giving out.

How would you phrase it then?

That's the way the BBC is working it, wait to hear what the government says

Utter fucking madness.

Massive easing on Monday (so much for 'slow' 🤬). Then tell the most vulnerable it's ok to go out now.

You couldn't make it up.

I don't see that there's anything to announce. Shielders have always been free to go out if they wish. This isn't saying the virus has gone away and there's no risk if you go out, just that you can if you want. All I can think is that it's saying 'Oh look - we've done something nice for this group' but they haven't.

'Allowed' is a poor choice of words. They aren't under house arrest.
Are the govt totally mad? In 3 or 4 weeks the shit is going to hit the fan again.

To add I'm only posting it not saying I agree with the article or how it's worded
I'm watching what Sturgeon says

It’s actually frightening at this point. The fact we are being led by people devoid of empathy is becoming startlingly and dangerously apparent.

This bit is nonsense 'Those living alone will be able to meet one other person from another household while maintaining social distancing'. WTF does it mean? DM is shielding - she has a flat but no garden. If she had a garden then from Monday she could have five people to visit her if she wanted to - not one. This is way beyond incompetence now. It really does seem that the government has introduced a policy of throwing out as much confusing and contradictory information as possible.

And Sturgeon is wrong - shielding is only advisory in Scotland, so people there can do as they please.

Wasn’t the initial shielding timeframe up until 15th June, then supposedly extended til the 30th? It makes no sense that they’re easing everything on the same day...

It looks like they could have easily waited two weeks and observed what the transmission rate was before easing things up for shielded people. And no one would have batted an eyelid.

@BamboozledandBefuddled the five people doesn't apply to those shielding, none of the new lifted restrictions do

@AppleKatie I agree that there's a complete lack of empathy. What I find more frightening is the state broadcaster using wording that strongly suggests over 2 million people have no right to leave their homes without the government's permission.

Well, I'm over the moon! It's good to see that we can go for a walk without having half of Mumsnet say we should be jettisoned to the back of the NHS queue if we get sick or the others saying we'll all be stuck indoors for years on end until there is a vaccine.

@ClientQ All of the changes apply to the shielding group. Shielding is only advisory - it is not a legal requirement.

Bamboozled legally she could but following the shielding guidelines she couldn't. Shielders were told no change on Thursday.

Allowing shielders living alone to see someone will be huge for those who have had no human contact with anyone since March.

Well yes but if you're following the shielding advice then the 5 people doesn't apply as you're advised not to meet anyone
So you're either shielding (following the advice given) or you have been advised to shield and decided not to so therefore aren't shielding

www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19#if-you-do-not-want-to-be-shielded

From that link 'Shielding is for your personal protection and it’s your choice to decide whether to follow the measures we advise.

Therefore, if you are in' the shielded category but choose* to ignore the advice, the lifting of restrictions applies.

The 10 weeks is how long the guidance has been in place so far.

Sorry - bolding went wonky!

@BamboozledandBefuddled quite. Nobody’s covering themselves in glory in all this. The govt remain the most dangerous to my mind though.

I have a parent shielding and I’ve lost all trust in government advice. I’m desperate to be near him but I still don’t feel safe so we’ll be following his doctors advice. I think doctors/consultants etc should be able to decide if someone needs to shield and until when, they’re much better qualified for it.

@ClientQ I agree with what your saying but my issue is with the wording that's been used in that article. It specifically refers to those who have been 'asked to remain at home' - that would be DM and DH, whether they are following that advice or not. It then goes on to say that they are now allowed out - if something is now allowed, that would mean it had previously been forbidden, not just advised against. It's blatant further obfuscation of rules/guidelines/law. There are plenty of people on here who insist at regular intervals that shielders are forbidden to leave their homes because 'they will overwhelm the NHS'. This kind of confused 'guidance' is just going to stir that up even more.

And I know you just posted the article - I'm not ranting at you personally

Fucking hell, Boris might as well roll you lol in COVID and be done with it, it’s terrifying

The R is almost 1 where I live, I won’t be following that advice! Plus as people have all but given up on following the guidance it would have been much safer for me to leave the house a month ago!

This is really shocking. I can't believe SAGE will support this. More unnecessary deaths on the horizon.