Breaking news for shielding

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Interesting. Sturgeon has tweeted to say strongly it does not apply to Scotland. It also mentions 10 weeks in the article so maybe an extension but with allowances to go outside?
More to be announced tomorrow apparently

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52862440

I'm shielded in Scotland and have already ben going out to a deserted beach with my own household, it was at the point where my mental health was really suffering being indoors.

My friend in London can't go out safely as she lives in a busy area and has no car.

I still don't feel safe enough to meet someone from outside my household.

We need to use our own judgement and weigh up the risks vs benefits.

I am shielded we live somewhere we can cross the road without meeting someone else. It has to be a commonsense choice. Any of us shouldn't go somewhere it is heaving with people, the last 10 weeks need to ensure we are very careful for the next 12 months. It is not going away but life needs to continue in someway.

My son is shielded and I'm not taking him out other than the garden.
The R is over 1 where I live.
Like others said, I'm using my own judgement and I feel that it isn't safe enough yet.

I don’t think it’s safe enough for this

@BamboozledandBefuddled

This bit is nonsense 'Those living alone will be able to meet one other person from another household while maintaining social distancing'. WTF does it mean? DM is shielding - she has a flat but no garden. If she had a garden then from Monday she could have five people to visit her if she wanted to - not one. This is way beyond incompetence now. It really does seem that the government has introduced a policy of throwing out as much confusing and contradictory information as possible.

And Sturgeon is wrong - shielding is only advisory in Scotland, so people there can do as they please.

People who are shielding are not included in the "you can meet 5 other people" guidance though, that's all it means.

From Monday the guidance for everyone not in the shielding group is that they can meet up to 5 other people. People in the shielding group can if they wish choose not to shield, but if they wish to follow the shielding advice then it is that they can now meet one other person.

People in the shielding group can if they wish choose not to shield, but if they wish to follow the shielding advice then it is that they can now meet one other person. but only if they live alone.

I think we might be hitting a point where some of the people who live alone and are in the shielding group really need some give in the guidance.

That's always been the balance in the shielding advice. It has to be strong enough to emphasise to people their vulnerability, but it also has to be realistic so they can follow it and not isolate people to the point that they are at more risk (as a group) of higher numbers of depression, suicide and the likes.

Surely this makes sense? No one is being forced to meet up with anyone (funny how relaxing of lockdown allows people to have more freedom of choice). However, shielded people can gp outdoors if needed and assess their own risks, perfectly sensible. I'd think that going for a social distanced walk has so many potential benefits to MH, that providing people socially distances the benefit outweighs the risk. Obs not going trekking to the beach for a day out surrounded by hundreds. But a sensible walk. Cant believe gov advice for the shielded was to open a window. I really wonder for their mental health at this time. Risks have to be assessed surely, and by the individual. Just because I can now meet with 6 friends doesn't mean I'm going to, primarily because I'm already seeing my 2 best friends and my family are in wales. No one is making anyone go out

I don’t believe or trust a word that Boris says so will be listening to the advice of my son’s doctors and using my own common sense. The only reason he’s doing all this is to make people forget about Cummings. Why would anyone think it’s safer to go out now especially seeing the photos of the idiots on the beaches and in the parks today.

Basically the government want to throw away all we achieved so far due to cunty Cummings and sod us all. That's why they are doing this.

Looking forward to a safe walk around the block, after 11 weeks in with just the cat, it will be lovely to be able to see one person, I understand the virus is still in a very dangerous level so I will only go out maybe 2/3 times a week for 30 mins sticking to isolated routes, but hopefully it will boost my mental stress also.

This will do the world of good for DH's Gran. She's a stickler for rules so she's not even been in her garden. The only person she has seen, through the glass of her front door for a moment, has been her food parcel delivery person and her milkman. Now she'll be able to sit in the garden at least.

Seems like a devious way for Johnson and Cummings to save the Exchequer some money by reducing the numbers claiming pensions and disability benefits.

Therefore, if you are in' the shielded category but choose to ignore the advice, the lifting of restrictions applies.*

So make sure you say that, rather than saying we are allowed to do what we want and blithering on about choice. We know we are allowed do what we want and we have opted to follow the strict guidelines.
You speak as though we have no right to moan because we accepted the guidelines.
On a basic level we all have a choice to do anything. I could murder tomorrow and it would be a choice. I could paint myself with liquid cat hair, it would be a choice. Neither of which are sensible for me or others.

The shielding guidelines were accepted by the majority who were notified. We do it not only for ourselves but for the greater good.

And I will now be following my consultant’s advice and not leaving my home until Autumn, even if it is driving me loopy.

I'm shocked at the extremes people have gone to though. Shocked and really saddened. What harm is there in going for a walk at say 6am or 8pm when its quiet and no ones about and you touch nothing? What harm is there or sitting in your back garden or doorstep? I thought the whole point of social distancing was that its passed between people?

So so sad that people feel the need to go to such extreme measures as to not even go into their garden. The media hysterical hype has really worried people. Irresponsible reporting

But it’s not media reporting is it?
The texts and letters were from the government. The letter I received expressly told me not leave my house under any circumstances.

Many people (including me) have since been told by medical professionals who are familiar with us that they strongly advise we follow the guidelines and even extend them.
My consultant, as far as I know, has a medical degree and further qualifications with a reputable college and is not a journalist.

I'm with ofwarren on this. I have a shielded child, live in an area with high R rate - there's no way I'm easing off until we've seen if/when we have a second wave.

My concern is that if they say they're lifting restrictions, what does this mean about returning to work? If the government don't seem to be trusted to act in the best interests of those who are extremely clinically vulnerable (medical interests, if not social), then where do we stand legally if we refuse to go back & risk our health?

@Madein1995 it's not the media
These are the measures we have been told/asked to follow due to being extremely vulnerable. No walks, no supermarket, don't leave your house/garden
The letters sent out outlined everything, what the news says has nothing to do with us following "extreme measures"
We are following them (or I am) because if I catch it, I'm likely to be very ill or die

I suspect this had to be said because a fair few of those shielding were kicking off, saying how come everyone else can meet up and not us, its not fair...etc. Well, noones stopping them from meeting people, and would not have done even before this announcement, shielding is fo your own benefit, if you chose not to, thats fine! Which is kind of why I didn't understand the kickoffs and suggestions that as shielders were being asked to stay in, everyone should.

No everyone not shielding were not told to stay in, they could go to parks the supermarket walks on a local beach etc.

It's nothing to do with the media. My sons letter came signed by his liver transplant consultant who also told us on the phone that it possibly won't be safe for us to go back to normal until there is a vaccine or treatment.

I do understand that,and of course living must come 1st, but wheres the harm in going in the garden? Or going for walks st quiet times if thats what you feel is going to help? Everyones different of course and I think that's where individual assessments come in. Fir eg, and not comparable to shielding, but when gov advice was stay at home me and friend met up. 2m apart, went to quiet area,and assessed our risk
Ive a shielding auntie who lockdown is eallygetting to .at first she stuck to the garden. Shes now going for walks at 7am when its quieter and it's really helping.
Aldo the confusion between shielding, a vulnerable, extremely vulnerable doesn't help.ifs not been very clear and some people (my dad, t2 diabetes, controlled) have taken it to mean not go out at all. Reasonably he could take dog for a walk and do them both good. Instead hes barely leaving the house and is becoming down.

The cynic in me says it is laying the foundations to stop the support and home delivered food parcels.

@Madein1995 Unless your dad has been told to shield, then I suppose he comes under 'voluntarily shielding' and it's his personal decision.

What rule is your gran stickling to, @lyralalala ? I understand her only having contact with other people through the window (no face to face contact except for care, pretty much), but shielding people have never been told they can't use their garden (if they have one) - it explicitly says you can sit in your garden or on your doorstep as long as you keep 2m away from others. Has she misunderstood the shielding guidance?