Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Original poster

More than a respiratory disease

76 replies

Xtinalee · 30/05/2020 00:16

Thoughts on this? Hoping it’s true to help find a cure ASAP
elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

OP posts:
lljkk · 30/05/2020 13:01

sigh, I linked to this article

www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-the-flu-actually-kill-people/

I said "that article" (meaning the one I linked to dated 2017) talks about how influenza kills. It demonstrates that how influenza kills is similar to how SARS-CoV-2 kills. CoV-2 may kill more people but the mechanism, how it kills people, is similar to how influenza kills people.

HIVpos · 30/05/2020 13:15

Interesting article OP, so vascular although respiratory to start off with. It seems to take a lot of detail already known and expand on it. - we don't tend to hear much about the virus affecting parts of the body other than the lungs - the liver, kidneys, intestines etc - which would be explained by the protein furin being present in all cells which the virus needs to replicate.

TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 13:25

"If they were genuine, you'd expect to read about them on medical sites"
Articles about the link to blood clots have been appearing on medical sites for weeks. Even the bbc and sky news has reported on it.

effingterrified · 30/05/2020 13:31

TabbyMumz - which article are you referring to?

The first article refers to blood clots but it also makes a much grander hypothesis which I have NOT seen reported elsewhere.

Could you please include some links to articles making the same argument as the link in the OP does but from a reliable source?

Thanks.

effingterrified · 30/05/2020 13:32

The article you linked to does not make the same point as in the link in the OP.

Maybe you need to reread them?

TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 13:34

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-could-anti-blood-clot-drugs-help-save-covid-19-patients-11990927
Here's another. They all relate to covid causing vascular issues, ie blood clotting, sticky blood etc..

HIVpos · 30/05/2020 13:35

Not sure if it's been mentioned on MN, but the UK medicines agency (MHRA) has just approved access to remdesivir for COVID-19 (26/05/20). This is ahead of it being licensed and with a fair few restrictions.

Press release: www.gov.uk/government/news/mhra-supports-the-use-of-remdesivir-as-the-first-medicine-to-treat-covid-19-in-the-uk

TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 13:37

"The article you linked to does not make the same point as in the link in the OP."
It does. It's all about covid causing blood clots.

TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 13:41

I've been following a few fb sites for people with blood conditions that make them susceptible to clots, quite a few have reported that although they have never clotted in their life, as soon as they got covid, they did. A lot were asymptomatic for covid, but suffered dvt's, and then came up positive for covid.

itsgettingweird · 30/05/2020 13:52

Interesting. I'll be keeping my eye out for further research and reports of a similar nature.

And interesting because when I thought I had it it started with heart palpitations and pains in lower legs about a week before I then lost my smell. I had a bit of breathlessness during this time. But no cough and no fever.
The fever came over a week later and I had 3 days of being really ill.

I thought then I had CV and isolated.

None of the original problems I had were ever symptoms but they were the ones that scared me. I hadn't related the 2 things before now.

itsgettingweird · 30/05/2020 13:57

I don't think anyone sensible would claim that coronavirus is anything like flu. It is clearly far, far more deadly and spreads far more easily.

Although the person being responded to had posted a link about flu and other responses.

In relation to this statement out of the context it was written - you'd be surprised!
I am seeing more and more people on FB saying it's great to be out, flu season is over so we are all safe and Covid is only a mild flu anyway.

I'm having to avoid FB and sit on my hands to not respond they should probably tell the families of the 38k+ deceased and all those fighting for their lives in ICU.
I don't do public argument - not sure now is the right time to start

Original poster
Xtinalee · 30/05/2020 14:27

I posted this to Oxford and they appreciated it

OP posts:
TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 14:30

Oxford should already be aware of this, medics have been raising the issue since the start if covid. I have started to wonder if covid has been mutating for a few years as for a few years now it's been reported that more younger people are having strokes and blood clots and they dont know why.

effingterrified · 30/05/2020 14:44

Xtinalee - what do you mean, you "posted this to Oxford and they appreciated it"?

Where in Oxford? It's a city? Do you mean the University? Which person?

effingterrified · 30/05/2020 14:46

TabbyMumz - you seem to have not fully read the article in the OP. It makes a lot more specific claims than the many, many articles about blood clots have made.

It is these claims which I think need further research before being pronounced as true.

TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 14:52

Effingterrified....I've read the article several times as its come up a lot on stroke groups. A lot of people are linking covid to blood clots, so does the ops article.

TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 15:14

"It makes a lot more specific claims than the many, many articles about blood clots have made."
It's simply explaining how blood clots are made and saying covid causes them.

effingterrified · 30/05/2020 15:18

TabbyMumz

No, it isn't.

It's making an overarching hypothesis about the nature and functioning of the disease, which are unproven.

They are interesting theories, but no more than that currently.

That people with coronavirus have a tendency to suffer from blood clots is proven facts.

What you are saying and what the article says are not the same thing at all.

TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 15:23

Effing...if covid causes clots is a fact, how else do you think the clots are made?

Original poster
Xtinalee · 30/05/2020 15:25

@effingterrified Scientists from Oxford uni. Anyone who thinks it’s a flu is crazy. The experiences I’ve read from people who have had it are beyond terrifying .. I wondered if people who have healthier diets don’t get it as bad but someone who works on ICU ward told me she sees healthy people in there aswell, could be down to viral load, they don’t know, but it’s scary as hell.

OP posts:
TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 15:26

To be honest effing, I dont really care about how they are formed, just that covid causes them, that's enough for me. This fact doesnt seem to be making the medical society think further about putting people at higher risk of blood clots onto the vulnerable or shielding list or putting them on aspirin or blood thinners.

effingterrified · 30/05/2020 15:29

TabbyMumz - "if covid causes clots is a fact, how else do you think the clots are made?"

Er...I have no idea. On account of not being a scientist.

If you know, maybe you should go and publish a peer-reviewed scientific paper, because that could be really helpful in the global fight against the disease.

effingterrified · 30/05/2020 15:31

Xtinalee - which scientists from Oxford University? Can you be more specific? Geologists, geneticists, ecologists, social scientists?

And if they liked what you said, why can we not read about it anywhere except for a Medium article?

Why isn't this amazing breakthrough headline news?

TabbyMumz · 30/05/2020 15:50

Effing...I'm not a scientist, but the article looks very similar to other reports on this disease in that it causes clots. I'm not sure what you are up to here? You say the article goes one step further...but it only explains how clots are made? And that they think the disease is vascular and linked to blood cells. You seem to be claiming it's not true for some reason.