Two wrongs don't make a right. Don't be a twat, stay home, save lives.

[effingterrified]

Just that.

Just because one arsehole might choose to recklessly endanger others, that is not a good excuse for you to do the same.

Stay home, socially distance when out, save lives. Wear a mask.

The sooner we all stick to this, the sooner we can get rid of this virus and move on.

[FancyARoot]

I don't agree that risking others' lives should be your choice.

Yeah, well tell that to the 14 women who were killed by the partners they were locked up with in the first three weeks alone.

Tell that to the people whose cancer treatments or operations have been stopped or postponed.

Tell that to the people who have or will lose their businesses and be unable to feed their families or heat their homes by winter.

Tell that to the people who’ve died of heart attacks or stroke during lockdown due to being too worried to go to hospital in case they ‘weren’t allowed.’

I could go on. Lockdown is ruining hundreds of thousands of lives.

[TorkTorkBam]

It's not OK to say 'my chance of getting it is low so fuck you' to everyone in the population who is vulnerable

I'm not planning on going into a care home to be coughed on then pop round to visit various elderly relatives and mates with cancer over the following fortnight.

I'm going to meet a friend for a walk or a run every day. I'm going to make sure the kids meet a friend for a kickabout most days. I will continue to go to the supermarket only once a week and will avoid being close to people. I will avoid the vulnerable, which should be easy because they'll mostly be at home not trying to cosy up to me in the park.

Why the rage?

[Drivingdownthe101]

It's not OK to say 'my chance of getting it is low so fuck you' to everyone in the population who is vulnerable

That doesn’t actually make much sense. Being vulnerable to covid doesn’t mean your chance of getting it is higher, it means your chance of being seriously ill or dying from it is higher. Community transmission is low, which means the chances of someone vulnerable catching it is also low.
Additionally, if I don’t catch it (and chances of catching it are low), then I can’t pass it on to someone vulnerable.
Especially as I’m not actually coming into contact with anyone vulnerable, unless they’re sitting next to me at my picnic.

[Drivingdownthe101]

And if someone vulnerable is sitting next to me at my picnic, they’ve obviously decided that the benefits outweigh the risks too.

[Epigram]

I'm not feeling more relaxed about lockdown because of one idiot breaking the rules, but because of the positive signs emerging regarding reduced infection rates etc. Feeling much more hopeful today than I was a few weeks ago.

[Waxonwaxoff0]

I'm social distancing.

I'm not staying home. I live in a flat with no outside space. I've had 7 weeks of not being allowed out much so now we can take unlimited exercise like fuck am I staying home. I'm not putting anyone's life at risk by walking or sitting outside for as long as I want.

I'm not wearing a mask either. And I won't be unless they're made compulsory.

[attackedbycritters]

Did you know that Weston super mare hospital has just closed its door due to too many covid cases?

[Drivingdownthe101]

Did you know that Weston super mare hospital has just closed its door due to too many covid cases?

Yes I did. Not sure what relevance that has to me going for a picnic, in which I remain socially distanced from other households, in the East Midlands (where our R rate is one of the lowest in the country due to an early peak).

[Madein1995]

Nope I wont wear a mask because I'm fairly certain I dont have it so cant spread it, also masks are uncomfortable and hot so in this weather just no
Lockdown has done what it was meant to. It's been 10wks and we can't just lockdown until the numbers are 'low enough '. The numbers are low enough now yet people are still hysterical.
We need to get to back to living, this has all been a ridiculous overreaction.

I'm enjoying my bank holiday. I get to spend 30mins queuing for the plesdjte of going in asda (the queues are ridiculous themselves particularly as community transmission is low)
Then I'm going to waitrose for posh ciders,which.i plan to freeze. Then I'm going for a walk with a friend. Tomorrow I am getting public to work. I'll social distance but I dont buy into the hysteria

[Russellbrandshair]

Did you know that Weston super mare hospital has just closed its door due to too many covid cases

So? That has nothing to do with me going out and about as it’s NOT against “the rules” is it? I do t even live in bloody western super mare

[IcedPurple]

Did you know that Weston super mare hospital has just closed its door due to too many covid cases?

Well yes, not least because there's another thread on it.

And as people there have pointed out, A&E's - particularly small, underresourced ones like in Weston Super Mare - temporarily close all the time. It just doesn't make the news because it's quite normal.

Besides, the overall trend is very much down. One small surge - which is to be expected and will happen many times over the coming months - does not change that.

[cyclingmad]

Er stay at home has been dropped. We can go out as much as we like so long as we observe social distance so no I won't be staying at home.

I'll stay at home when I need to, I can use my own common sense to asses the risk myself and behave accordingly.

[effingterrified]

"Since the NHS has not been overwhelmed and numbers are in definite decline, it's not unreasonable to expect some cautious relaxation of those guidelines."

The NHS has been overwhelmed - I have a relative in London who has ended up in a hospital in central London as all the ones near them were completely full. And this wasn't at the start of the virus. This was recently.

I have never, ever known this to happen before.

And that's even after steps were taken to limit entry to hospital such that only people who were literally going blue around the lips were allowed entry to hospital by 111. Many of whom ended up dead at home as a result, as the excess deaths figures show.

Also, numbers are not in 'definite decline' - in many parts of the country, numbers are still rising. And we won't see the impact of the most recent changes to lockdown eg forcing people back to work, for weeks, as it takes on average 15 days from infection to being ill enough to need hospital treatment, followed by probably the same again till those figures are actually reported and so end up on national stats.

Come and tell me in 3 months that case numbers were not rising again in May. At the moment, you have no evidence that numbers are falling.

[Waxonwaxoff0]

@attackedbycritters one small surge is not representative of the whole country as has been pointed out on that other thread.

[cyclingmad]

Stay indoor op if you want to that's your choice! No right to tell other people what to do.

[TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair]

It's not OK to say 'my chance of getting it is low so fuck you' to everyone in the population who is vulnerable

But 'vulnerable' covers lots of different people.

We have had several suicides in my area in recent weeks. Really distressing ones involving people who couldn't cope with lockdown. Those people matter, as do all the people who won't kill themselves but who are finding this incredibly difficult and who are declining as the weeks go on.

I feel for the most vulnerable who are scared of getting this virus but resources need to be put into protecting them and allowing them to shield and stay away from crowds, etc. It has been found that not everyone even spreads the virus equally - superspreading events do the most harm and no one is rushing out to have packed churches services or attend concerts right now. There is little virus in the community and so it is unlikely to spread. Most people are meeting with others who have been shut away for weeks and who are plague-free.

I agree with you we need contact tracing but the government have had 5 effing months to sort it out and haven't managed it and my confidence they can is very low. I am not prepared to sit at home for months more while they sort it out. It is harming me. You have no right to be swearing at people and ordering them to do what you want them to do.

[effingterrified]

IcedPurple - this has happened recently at several major London hospitals too. Not just small local ones.

[Russellbrandshair]

Nice try at panic mongering but the facts are- infection levels and death rates have fallen dramatically and we are allowed to go out and have picnics. You can blather on all you like but these are the facts and you cannot change that.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

I’d like to see your hospital sources of info OP, not just ‘someone I know’. I have a someone I know working in a Covid designated hospital near me and they’ve been underwhelmed with cases and now gone back to their normal hospital job as it’s so quiet.

I’m not staying at home. I’ll socially distance, but that’s it.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

New Zealand is a terrible comparison too. It’s not comparable.

[HesterShaw1]

I swear to god, if one more sanctimonious twat exhorts me to "stay home" I won't be answerable for actions

[IcedPurple]

this has happened recently at several major London hospitals too

Source needed.

[Wewearpinkonwednesdays]

I don't agree that risking others' lives should be your choice.

Well if you stay home, you won't be at risk. Let others get on with what they want, and are allowed to do.

[Waxonwaxoff0]

@ThroughThickAndThin01 similar with my mum. She works at one of the biggest hospitals in the country and was redeployed to the wards at the beginning of April, she's now back doing her regular job as things have gone much quieter and has been allowed to take annual leave this week.

[Epigram]

OP, it's honestly fine if you want to carry on isolating while other people start to ease restrictions. I think at this stage it's important for people to carry out their own risk assessment and take responsibility for their own decisions.