If R Goes above 1 we won't be lockdowned again

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What are people's thoughts on what will come next? With schools going back (eventually but obviously planned by the gov), the gov meeting to discuss unlocking more, people out and about anyway etc and the virus still in the community I can't see how R won't rise again. We've been told that r gas to stay below 1 in order to manage the virus but if it's currently between .7 and 1 now and we're unlocking further it's going to creep up. I can't picture the government ordering lockdown again even by area. So where does that leave us, are we now at a point where if you know you're high risk you just gave to stay in and everyone just keeps their fingers crossed that it's ok and we just get on? Does anyone think winter will make a difference? Just looking to read others views and a few ideas.

There is a vaccination against measles, people have chosen not to have it. There is no vaccine for Covid yet.

They might close places again but when the prime minister says it's ok for people to drive 250+ miles with the virus flouting rules everyone else was told to stick to, then the ordinary folks won't stay inside like they did before.

I thought the plan was to stick with where we are and only open up more areas such as shops and then further along cafes as long as the tests were being met...

so rather than going backwards it would mean sticking at that point for longer.

If it goes up it's likely it will mean lock down again for all the same reasons as before. Save the NHS.

Nicely put @Derbygerbil

The telegraph is article locked. But even reading that small amount, the information is clear. The government has played a dangerous game all round. I just cannot understand how Bozo is still much loved.

It will all very much depend on how the nhs are coping.

The govt have put powers in place to lockdown as needed but that will be dependent on need. I have suspected the winter will bring new challenges; particularly after Xmas, but that's as much about the added impact of the flu season plus Corvid.

However, if everyone is hand washing their hands raw and hygiene is huge, plus testing and most importantly, track, trace and isolate, all those things do help to minimise impact.

Apart from "flattening the curve" the lockdown educated everyone about what it would be like and what was needed to not have a lock down. If people do follow required rules we may avoid it. But it depends on people as much as the govt.

more people who find they've had it may become bolder and less stringent; others don't comply anyway.

A lot of people wouldn't stick to another lockdown. With DC breaking it whenever he wanted, I could see a backlash against another lockdown.

While we have the government doing what the hell they want while others suffer it won't go down well.

So few say the high risk should just stay in and there being selfish to want longer lockdown to continue so they can be released sooner

Thanks shall I tell my 17 and 14 year olds that they should not go to school ?/?college outside as they are selfish then and to just watch from the window as others go back to normal. Because they are not important

But realistically I don't think goverment will lock down even if goes above 1 as they will say that it's just one thing go consider despite fact was all they talked about for ages as being most important thing

People will need to accept risk. At the moment there is total hysteria about schools returning despite all the evidence that children are not at risk of getting sick from Covid. The odd outlier child has had a severe version - far far more likely that a child is hit by a car or they die on a motorway. We let cars give our kids asthma sadly while we are paralysed with fear from this incredibly rare threat of Covid.

The virus targets the old and sick - we failed to protect those people very shamefully in our care homes and I sincerely hope we have learned our lessons and will use different methods going forward.

It also spread hugely in hospitals via doctors and nurses - we should test daily to stop this happening again.

At the peak 20 per cent of new cases were people infected while in hospital for somethign else!!! This is an incredible figure - add in care home infections and you see this virus can in the future be properly controlled.

It is also a public health issue - we can tackle the underlying health problems that make people vulnerable - lets look at the obesity crisis in the UK - did you know - we have the fattest 11 year olds in Europe.

Lets tackle that - get our kids moving and playing instead of sitting down eating crap all day. These things need to change - we can't live in fear of a virus that for the most part only threatens those who are already sick or frail.

Lets protect those people properly - and remember every day that psses we learn more about the virus - the global hive mind is providing better ways to treat it and prevent it

I hope by autumn it will be a small issue and easy to deal with.

I think if lock down had worked as requested by the government, if the r went above one they’d have no hesitation in doing it again.

But it didn’t work as planned by the government, thousands of work places shut down when they didn’t have to, people are refusing to go back to work and have their hands out for more furlough, they are refusing to send their kids back to school.

The whole things a disaster. There is simply no way they can lock down again, because companies and people abused it. And are still abusing it.

What happens to the NHS? If R goes above 1 , then at some point, probably 6 weeks down the line, hospitals start to be overfull of critically ill patients

That's why the test trace and isolate strategy needs to work
And that won't happen if people won't isolate because they might then loose the roof over their head

I think it is imprudent to have any further changes tomrestrictiins until,test/track/trace is up,and running.

And I meant properly running.

Not running as in Government promise thst it'll be working in the next few days.

I dont think there will be another lockdown. even if one is announced, I dont think a lot would stick to it now as most people just arent scared anymore. regardless of how moral some want to look, at the beginning most people stayed in because they were scared of getting it, not to protect the nhs. fear is the easiest way to get compliance - a lot of people just arent that scared anymore

Well after Dominic Cummings decided the rules didn't apply to him, I'm guessing people wouldn't take any notice even if we did have another lockdown. The government will know this so I don't think they'd do it again.

They will concentrate on social distancing which more people are prepared to accept, and hopefully the test track and trace system will have some level of success (but I'm not counting on it)

Well after Dominic Cummings decided the rules didn't apply to him, I'm guessing people wouldn't take any notice even if we did have another lockdown

I really don’t understand why any one would think Dominic Cummings is some form of guru leader and what he does should dictate what everyone else does, surely people are able to critically think for themselves,

It is totally contradictory for people to think on one hand he broke the rules and it was so serious in terms of putting people at risk he should be fired, but on the other hand think it means everyone should do it.

He’s just some bloke, it wasn’t his alone decision to come up with the rules, I really don’t understand why he’s being treated like such a god that what he does, should dictate what everyone else does. Or. As said, the totally contradictory “he put lives at risk and needs to be fired “ and “that means I can do it”

Totally and utterly illogical.

People will need to accept risk.

Oh, heavens no, next thing you'll be expecting them to think for themselves and take responsibility for their own decisions! Surely not, then they might have to accept some part of blame rather than foisting it on something or someone else! Can't be having that! Need to live in lockdown forever or dream about further lockdown because it's so easy to twitch curtains, throw young people under a bus and scupper their education (children don't just go to nursery and primary school, there's secondary school, too), call everyone 'selfish' and what have you for not putting everyone else first above paying their mortgage and working to pay their own bills, etc etc. C'mon now, there is no room for common sense, thinking for oneself, risk assessment, personal decision making or responsibility in all this!

But it didn’t work as planned by the government, thousands of work places shut down when they didn’t have to, people are refusing to go back to work and have their hands out for more furlough, they are refusing to send their kids back to school.

Another very good point. I know of one small business that claimed furlough for their staff yet has had the staff in working throughout, and is busier than ever. I'm assuming they won't be the only ones who've done that either! They just saw it as a cheeky way of getting their staff wages paid for. I'm not sure how the spot checking works but nobody has checked on them.

@Bluntness100 I don't think it's illogical at all. I'm not saying people will go and recklessly have parties and hug all their friends.

But, there are huge numbers of people that have stayed away from family when they could have seen them safely, just because they were sticking to the rules/guidelines. Also plenty who would have liked to decamp to second homes but didn't, because of the rules. Plenty of those will think why should they follow guidelines when those who helped make the bloody rules can't be arsed to follow them.

My own DS lives 80 miles away, haven't seen him for 9 weeks. I'd happily have driven down and sat in his garden for a couple of hours, had the rules not been in place.

But now full of goodness you’ve moved into were the rules right in the first place. Was it safe? That’s a different discussion.

Because now that’s about the rules were wrong and Cummings was right to break them. As such he shouldn’t have been fired he has simply exposed the government was wrong.

The problem is that yes, huge numbers of people could have visited family safely, but no one knew at the start who those huge numbers were

I’d also agree huge numbers could have visited folks and got on with their lives safely, anyone under 65 and without health conditions.

But that wasn’t known at the time, and people screamed for lock down. The who publicly attacked our government for not locking down. In fact the media are still attacking saying we should have done it earlier, others saying we shouldn’t have done it at all

Now we have unions and people screaming not to go back. That it’s not safe, when it is perfectly safe for anyone under 65 with no health conditions. They have more chance of being run over by a car.

The government wish to release lock down and everyone is arguing about it, mainly because a bunch of people and the unions are refusing.

It’s shameful.

I really don’t understand why any one would think Dominic Cummings is some form of guru leader and what he does should dictate what everyone else does, surely people are able to critically think for themselves

Totally and utterly illogical

If he'd been sacked/resigned, i would agree but No10 came out and forcefully defended his actions as did senior govt ministers..... in other words "You plebs do as we tell you, we will do as we please"
That other govt minister (Robert Jenrik) also took his family to his 2nd home in Hereford.... he just swapped his 1st and 2nd homes around and all is good!

We couldn't visit my partners Nan, she died recently and we cannot go to the funeral either and if there are further restrictions, they will expect us to obey them but they won't, i also strongly suspect that MPs will be going abroad for holidays and won't have to go into quarantine either..... as they are essential to the fight against CV lol!