Why are the supermarket workers not getting sick?

[bulletjournalbilly]

So tell me this ...if supermarkets are a "danger zone" why aren't the supermarket workers all dying and getting sick with this "killer virus"?

@IncrediblySadToo
I'm definitely a bit fatter than I should be (BMI is 28 I think) but I am only 29. However I do have some complications such as my kidneys being a bit dodgy.
It's hard to know how it comes across online but I honestly understand your worries as I was scared too at the start, but my point is that genuinely, we are are FAR more likely to survive than not. I am also a teacher and I have been working 2 days a week throughout this. I dare say I've been exposed to it.
Like you though, I'm certainly not trying to get it and am trying to avoid it as much as I can with sensible measures, but I am also now understanding that IF I do get it, my chances are I'll be fine. Same for you I promise.

Maybe they are. They're not publishing job roles of all people who died, are they?

We have the job roles for 74% of deaths, yes.

However they are not counting people over 64, who appear to be perhaps the majority of doctor deaths

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbyoccupationenglandandwales/latest#overview-of-coronavirus-related-deaths-by-occupation

@epythymy

IncrediblySadToo if I were you, I'd be losing the extra weight. That'd help with the blood pressure and diabetes. Then you'd be able to stop expecting the world to grind to a halt to protect you

Fuck off

I didn't say anything about expecting the world to grind to a halt. I said I was staying home.

You know nothing about me or what I do/don't do. My diabetes is controlled via diet (Good HbA1c) I still have the disease & my blood level will be bad if I get this virus. There's fuck all anyone can do about that.

Do you seriously think I wouldn't like to go back to the barely 8st I was before I got ill? Do you think you know better than a bunch of specialists how to make that happen?

Don't assume all overweight people are lazy, thick idiots scarfing donuts.

And for crying out fucking loud I was replying to why I was staying at home

You can't fucking win around here - you stay home you get told you're pathetic, you don't & you get told you should be.

75% have recovered. Again, exactly so WTAF is everyone's fear of never leaving the house again!?

It’s population risk not personal risk. And right from the start it was made clear most would recover but a possible 1% chance of death over a large population will yield a lot of deaths. Also there are reports coming out that a minority may be developing long term health problems.

Red thanks for posting that graph. I knew about it hence my comments but couldn't find it. I hadn't refreshed when I commented!
But that graph shows facts and really highlights how the truth and statistics are lost behind whatever agenda a media outlet or government official has.

many Sick or elderly people have died who would likely have died this year

And they would be covered by "normal" deaths. Yes there will be some additional deaths not directly attributable to CV but most of the increase will be attributable (assuming overall total should include deaths due to CV preventing treatments of other ailments).

we all know many peoooe are dying due to lock down

Well actually we don't really. Not yet. We know that more women have died at the hands of domestic partners during lockdown but at the moment most of the rest is anecdata. (And the domestic violence problem has been largely ignored and defunded by government for years and was already on the increase).

I've no doubt they exist but numbers wise there is no evidence yet to suggest its anywhere near the scale of CV deaths. Anecdata doesn't make for good evidence.

It's interesting that other people are mentioning an illness in December. Our store was also badly hit by a cough/flu type illness around Christmas time. A lot of us felt awful with it, and I have had two changes in my asthma medication since, as my breathing hasn't been right since. I then gave it to my mum in January, who took weeks to recover, and then my sister developed it a few weeks later, developing pneumonia in early February. The hospital were surprised by her pneumonia being so severe in someone her age, and it took weeks of antibiotics to finally get rid of the infection. Her inflammatory markers were raised for months, and she still has a cough if she rushes around now. The tests she had were negative for influenza and other common causes, and they weren't sure what had caused the pneumonia at the time.

You’re right OP. But the hysteria doesn’t allow for perspective sadly. (And anyone that dares to point this out is ‘wrong’ 🙄)

@Bluntness100 repeating your assertions doesn't improve their validity. It would make sense when your opinions are challenged to confirm that they are accurate, instead of just repeating them again.

theconversation.com/what-we-do-and-do-not-know-about-covid-19s-infectious-dose-and-viral-load-135991

I also wondered this the other day after chatting with the check out person at my local Sainsbury's.
I know the staff that at the tills are now behind Perspex but it wasn't always like this. This woman was around 50, many of the staff are a similar age although lots of younger ones too.
According to this woman not one member of staff has contracted the virus.
So why not?
Oh and I'm not someone who thinks lockdown shouldn't have happened at all.

There has been a lot of talk of small epidemics within workplaces or schools or sports clubs happening around dec/jan time.
I hadn't really thought it CV like most people.
However ,........ reading the sage documents published yesterday there were predictions community transmission would have been prevelant for 2-4 months before the peak. Which would take us back to December.
And obviously over the Xmas and new year community gatherings are naturally far lower. Sports clubs closed, less shopping, schools closed.

That creates a number of questions and possibilities re when it came to uk. But it is still pure speculation based on modelling.

bulletjournalbilly - prior to increased testing, I know that advice for schools was to say nothing to the school community and to keep running as usual if anyone got ill with covid 19 symptoms unless and until they tested positive for covid 19, which at the time would only be if they ended up in hospital. Even with increased testing now, what makes you think you would know how many people working in supermarkets were getting sick now, let alone pre-lockdown when the virus was spreading rapidly? It wouldn’t affect anything the supermarkets are doing. They’ve already employed far more staff than usual and could bring in a few more of the currently unemployed if they needed to due to staff sickness levels were another peak of infection to happen.

@RagamuffinCat
Yes, where I worked many colleagues had a weird flu type illness throughout December and January too.
We put it down to a strange seasonal bug at the time, but we do wonder now, a few of us were on antibiotics for weeks.

A staff member in my local pharmacy got it. I don't know about the supermarkets I go to because it might just not get into the news.

And also I think testing of all key workers is quite new so before then you'd just know someone was off sick, but there wouldn't be an official diagnosis.

@IncrediblySadToo
Don't get upset by the ignorant comments. I'm type 1 as I said, but I also know that not all type 2s are to blame for having it.
Have your diabetic team given you an update on 'sick day' rules for if you do get it? Also, remember, it's very likely we won't even get it!! X

Ps obviously the ill person would be required to self-isolate, but not anyone who had been in contact with them unless they also got symptoms - and they wouldn’t know they might get symptoms, because they were not being told they had been in contact with someone who had symptoms.

@Hunnybears
Absolutely. I have had so many nasty comments to me (in real life) because I'm not buying into the hysteria. And as I mentioned, I am one of the 'vulnerable' ones as a Type 1 diabetic. I have been working all the way through this pandemic.

@Whatsthis1515 - sorry to hear about your dodgy kidneys!

If I was 29 & my BMI was as low as yours I would be FAR less worried.

I know you mean well 🌷and I'm sure you're right that my chances of surviving are higher than of dying - but I'd rather not put it to the test, so I stay home. I'm unsure why this pisses some people off so much, when it doesn't affect them in the slightest. People are weird.

I mentioned I was just coming out of self isolation to the cashier at my supermarket, she said she had just come back after 3 weeks away with the disease.

I’m sure key workers are getting the virus. And recovering.

I’m so fed up with people talking about it ‘only‘ being people who are vulnerable, terminally ill, chronically ill, disabled, etc, as if it’s no big deal.

^This with bells on. Plus the fact that people with underlying health problems can actually be fit and healthy. My DH has asthma, but he hasn't had a day off sick in over 5 years. He's 55 and men of that age are at more risk than women in that age group according to the stats. (See what happened with Boris Johnson!)

I'm also fed up with this obsession with the death rate. It isn't just about dying. There is a s small minority of cases, like mine, that go on for weeks and weeks of 'false dawns' and relapses. There's an ongoing thread where posters are supporting each other through this.

Admittedly, I had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome following from pneumonia last year, so my health wasn't great, but that certainly isn't true of several others in that group.

Reducing this to just the risk of death obviously leads to people not taking it seriously, as it obviously isn't a risk for younger, healthy people. I haven't died, obviously, but its impact on my life has been horrible.

And the comparison with flu is ridiculous, as vulnerable people can have the vaccine every year.

I’ve wondered this too.

Why hasn’t there been a huge crisis in dentists dying or filling up hospitals? This is the one profession dealing all day with aerosol spray from multiple strangers.

Why didn’t all the beauticians and therapists and nail techs get struck down?

Pilots and cabin crew?

Sex workers?

If there had been significant numbers in these industries it would have been reported by now.

@IncrediblySadToo I am profoundly sorry that you have grave concerns in relation to your health but to be perfectly honest, stats, empathy or otherwise, you list me when the gratuitous foul language started.

Some are. My sister works in a Sainsburys, at one point they had approx 30% staff off sick, obviously wouldn't have all been CV related, but it was a huge increase on the usual sickness level for April!