Immunity certificates. So your life is stopped until you have had it?

[MrsPear]

Am I reading right this morning. So if you have had it you will get a certificate and told to life your life. But if you have not had it then you have to live a life of restriction? Well I’m sorry but no. No more sitting at home. I’m telling mum I’m visiting next week.

If it's not going to be a thing, then he really shouldn't have mentioned it

I remember Chickenpox parties @fandajji. I too was dragged off to play with random friends in the hope I’d catch it. Like you I didn’t.

Years later I nursed my own DC through it and still didn’t catch it, leading me to wonder if I had an asymptomatic case.

I would be completely against this for all the reasons above.

I mean how far would they go with it? Would you need a certificate to travel abroad, to work in certain areas of society. It will create a two tier society and further isolate people, those who haven’t caught the virus, some of them because they have rightly so followed the rules and stayed at home!

I was so surprised he did mention it. Even if it is going to be a thing, at this point it can't be helpful to drop vague hints.

“Well I’m sorry but no. No more sitting at home. I’m telling mum I’m visiting next week.”

Whether she likes it or not?

This has always been a possible outcome, along with the very predictable responses. Part of me hopes it happens so that the most smug of smug best at lockdown people get to keep doing it forever. It won't though, because the risks are too great of deliberate spreading. Unless you work in healthcare - which is where this will be used to push people frontline covid ward facing.

@superfurry when I was pregnant my son caught it and I was tested and had no antibodies yet have still never caught it! Maybe we have super immunity? Want to come to my corana party and test it?!

It could be useful in healthcare if we are sure it provides immunity as we are so so short of ppe. Hcps who have had it can be assigned care off patients who have it without the fear of catching it. Same could be very usefull for teachers as well!

It won't though, because the risks are too great of deliberate spreading

You could get a good job of being 'mildly ill' and then inviting people around to your house to catch it.

There would be a good market in it

But also could be a total minefield in terms of equality. Vulnerable people will be left waiting for a vaccine.

You are allowed to not sit at home anyway?! And you are allowed to meet your mum, you just can't go in her house. No need for the big announcement.

@fandajji I’ll bring the cheese and pineapple on sticks!

I do think this will happen, the antibody test is definitely going ahead. You would need to register each person who has antibodies to see if it works and whether they can get the virus again, so I can see a certificate of some sorts coming into operation.

Hang on, I thought it wasn't clear whether antibodies meant you couldn't get CV again or not? If that's the case what would be the point of any certification?

Or have I missed something?

From what I have heard in the health profession it's likely the anti body test will be linked to your nhs number!

‘Immunity’ lasts for a limited period... (?)

I'm quite willing to work in a high risk setting eg care home if I have the antibodies, but if I haven't it would not be good because I could be asymptomatic and I'm going out and about. It's useful for deciding who works with covid patients too

The oxford vax the monkeys did catch it but it didnt damage the lungs so hopefully thats not the case with natural immunity as the monkeys also they think could spread it as it was in their nose.

Your thread fails, unfortunately. You neglected to say 'am I missing something?'.

We can't even get ID cards but we can get an immunity certificate?

Did we get one for having a mmr? Measles is allegedly more serious and more contagious yet people can happily wander around living there best life if they havent had it and could catch it spread it and cause a mini epidemic

This was on the front page of The Times this morning, so not just speculation on the part of the tabloids.........

@slipperywhensparticus we can get ID cards but the British public didn’t want it.

@luvacuppatea

Hmmm yeah. I reckon there has been plenty of speculation in the Times over the last couple of months too.

Interestingly they have printed the 17% immunity for London 5% elsewhere with no critical thought about when the tests were done. According to the Mail (okay I know) the tests were done in late April and early May. Antibodies take 2-3 weeks to show up so this is potentially utter bollocks in relation to current rates of people who have had it. Oh and the sample was 1000, so that’s okay 🙄

OP, if you really plan to see your Mum, hope you can cope with the potential guilt of passing it on. My Mum's life comes in front of any need/want to see her. I'm sticking it out for now until we know more.

You don't know how it could affect her either. I'm not in any high risk category but I've had pneumonia a few times in the past, it's debilitating, you struggle to breathe, no energy to even wash/shower, talk to/acknowledge someone in the room, no appetite, leaves you very low and takes weeks to get over.

I agree with PPs in that people will go out to deliberately try and catch it. I include myself in that (though I was mildly ill with covid symptoms about 7 weeks ago so MAY have had it) because if the rules end up that you can't go abroad without immunity - well my fiance is abroad and I can't see him until I can travel. I'm not waiting bloody years social distancing to avoid catching it if it means I can't see the people I love, I'd rather take my chances and I imagine it would be the same for many others