Longer term. Is anyone else wondering what will happen?

[Fluffyglitterystuff]

I think we all know it's entirely possible that there'll never be a vaccine. Long term it's possible it will mutate into something less deadly but no guarantees of anything.

I was watching a programme last night and they were saying how there isn't much wiggle room with R, so it's just a trade off. If we want to go back to work/school, have shops open, we won't be able to see family.

When I go out now it's clear that a lot of people have just given up. Lots of large groups congregating, teenagers playing out together. I know of several people/neighbours who are visiting family. I worry that we are just going to see another huge spike in cases.

[Fluffyglitterystuff]

Eskarina I highly doubt that.

There aren't enough police to enforce.

The government would need people to cooperate for it to be effective.

I think that if the government did announce another lockdown, and yes it is a big if. I doubt they'd get the compliance that they have first time round.

[EducatingArti]

I think people are starting to disregard lockdown because of the mixed messages from the government. I think we should have stayed with the first rules until the test, track and trace is fully operational and then started to lift things. That way cases would be even lower and so would the R value and we would be in a much better position to move forward.

[MarginalGain]

If another lockdown is needed, which is a big if, they don't need our consent.

Of course they do, don't be ridiculous.

[PicsInRed]

On mumsnet most people seem to think that the economy will be fucked for generations to come

The Chancellor himself says that we're heading into the worst recession ever.

Worst ever.

Yes, we're fucked.

[leckford]

We both had it, I am paying to have the test. People with cancer and other serious illnesses are not able to get treatment. This means millions of people are affected.

[Eskarina1]

I'm not being ridiculous. What is your plan for keeping the country running if millions are off sick at once? If there are no healthcare beds so the death rate escalates to 5-10% or more and there is no A&E capacity for other trauma? Because that is what we would be facing. If and only if exponential growth comes back.

[MarginalGain]

I'm not being ridiculous. What is your plan for keeping the country running if millions are off sick at once? If there are no healthcare beds so the death rate escalates to 5-10% or more and there is no A&E capacity for other trauma? Because that is what we would be facing. If and only if exponential growth comes back.

There's no likely worse case scenario that features absenteeism anything close to lockdown, you realise that right?

Where are you getting your data from? The NHS has doubled (maybe trebled?) it's ICU capacity, why are you worried about beds?

[MarginalGain]

You actually think that the government doesn't need broad public support to enforce a lockdown?

Who's going to enforce it without an army of curtain twitchers?

[okiedokieme]

What will happen if there's not a vaccine is that we will learn to live with it, alas some vulnerable people who have shielded will get sick and perhaps die but at some point herd immunity will mean numbers are far lower and could peter out. Numbers are dropping and some projections predict it's already struggling to find enough hosts in some areas

[ColouringPencils]

I am interested in what might happen long-term to institutions like universities and schools.

Will online learning or smaller classes become the norm? Will we make different choices about how we holiday, shop, entertain ourselves? My son said yesterday that when we come out of lockdown he can't wait to go to his favourite buffet restaurant (a massive city centre one) and I thought .

I know it is awful and very sad, but it is also an interesting time and some things may happen for the better (although I fear many for the worse).

[ColouringPencils]

Just occasionally it hits you the things that might no longer seem a great idea, even when you can do them. My favourite place is a tiny little board game cafe where the tables are packed tightly together and groups gather to play the cafe's lovely collection of games. Who is going to want to do that any time soon?

[Drivingdownthe101]

Lots of people didn't abide by the rules from the beginning anyway. Many of my neighbours didn't having visitors who didn't stay 2 metres away from them etc. Neighbour who was meant to be self isolating because his child showed symptoms went to the local supermarket at least twice to my knowledge despite having family who live within walking distance (5 mins if that) and can all drive

And despite that, numbers are still falling.

[lynsey91]

@Drivingdownthe101 the numbers are not falling that fast though are they?

There have been no cases in my area so they were lucky but things could have been very different

I very much doubt they will continue to fall. Much more likely to rise now that so many people are just ignoring advice and guidelines.

[LudaMusser]

I honestly can't ever see us getting to zero new cases like Germany have done on one day recently

I too see large groups of youths riding around on bikes on congregating in the local park. I think lockdown has been to lax whereas other countries have gone hard from day one

The longer the lockdown goes on in England I just think it will be taken less seriously. People have had enough

The government can't furlough people forever and people aren't following the rules. At some point shops etc will have to reopen as if they don't the bigger picture is mass unemployment. As an economy we need to start spending again, and soon

I think it will get to the point eventually where it's like if you catch it then so be it, I'll take my chances, I'm healthy I think I'll survive

[leckford]

I think we need to know who has had it with few problems and recovered. I have had it and I am arranging for a test £90 husband has it too although he should be high risk he just had the red eyes which clear up with antibiotics. Which is one of the Symptoms.

The NHS needs to return to normal, tests for cancer etc and treatment or ten of thousands mor will die