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Managers and HR people. Are you starting to see people signed off for mental health reasons?

60 replies

Canyoutellilikrchocolate · 18/05/2020 06:59

Specifically those who have been attempting to WFH with kids?

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Canyoutellilikrchocolate · 18/05/2020 21:24

Dory did your management get in touch & tell you that?
No one has mentioned furlough to me.

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TorysSuckRevokeArticle50 · 18/05/2020 21:26

We have 30-60-90 day plans with all our goals/activities that need to be completed. Each week we update manager on progress and any additional activities that have cropped up.

As long as we're on track with the plan it doesn't matter how many hours we work or what time of the day we work them.

Doryhunky · 18/05/2020 21:33

Yes!

Deblou43 · 18/05/2020 22:22

My company has been fantastic my partner is a key worker and I am working full time with 2 young kids I log on earlier have 30 mins break and look at my work phone constantly ... they have reassured us our jobs are safe I am doing work hours but not standard work hours it is hard but I have done 9 weeks of this

TheTiaraManager · 19/05/2020 00:13

I've been wondering if there will be spikes in sick notes & people self-isolating etc due to struggling for childcare

CoachBombay · 19/05/2020 00:31

It won't be long till I break.

My day goes

6am (DS wakes up)
6-9 be mum
9 - 5 log in to work, manage isn't case loads, DS, homeschooling, snacks, games
5-8 be mum, cook clean, put DS to bed
8-2amish work on all admin outstanding.
2am -6am sleep

Repeat 5 days a week.

Weekend is good shopping and outdoor activities and walks.

I'm gonna crash soon.

Peggysgettingcrazy · 19/05/2020 04:59

We have a had a range of things happen. Its difficult to say theres a pattern.

Because the office staff wfh. Field staff carried on. A week after lock down we decided to close the majority of the business, so field staff were working. Apart from ones working on the nighingales.

Most office staff were furloughed. My whole team was leaving me running things. Peollea mebtal health took a bashing during this period. The stress of trying to get H&S in place, holding together a department, plus extra work to keep us going while we prepared to return was difficult. Plus those of us who manage people were still supporting furliughed staff, ensuring they understood what was happening, making sure they were updated, we were addressing any concerns.

We generally turned to eachother, Not HR, for support. We are slowly bringing people back. The vast majority of staff have been great. Some are causing huge issues and putting more strain on their managers. Dont want to return, even though wfh.

We do have a few people who can't wfh, really genuinely anxious about returning.

We also had quite a few people who asked to be the last to return and moaned we weren't closing for longer, they are now causing issues because they haven't returned yet. They seem to have realised that us running at almost full capacity, without them, might mean we don't need them. A few are kicking off and saying we are pushing them out on purpose. Thankfully their managers followed up all discussion in email.

Like I say the vast majority have been great. But, at a guess, the groups whose mental health has been impacted was those who were not furloughed, but trying to keep everything together so the business survived. Kids or no kids. The problem has been, this isnt been recorded anywhere because people have turned to colleagues. Not to HR or H&S.

As someone who wasn't furloughed and has kids, I found it easier when on my own to juggle childcare. As long as I got my deadlines, I was fine. I was working odd hours. Sometimes very early morning, evening and getting breaks with the kids. Both mine sleep in so I could get loads done 5am-9am, far more than I could in the office. If calls were interupted by them, it was tough, they were interrupted. But we were getting to the point where we werent leaving the house at all. Which wasn't great. My kids also continued to see their dad during this time, so I worked extra hours those days. I think I am exceptionally, lucky to be able to achieve what I have and have the kids.

Peggysgettingcrazy · 19/05/2020 05:07

I've been wondering if there will be spikes in sick notes & people self-isolating etc due to struggling for childcare

Personally, on my team, we am trying to avoid this by supporting eachother. One of my team had her granddaughter stay. She was struggling at her mums house. Theres a new baby and young toddler and her mum is struggling to keep them all happy. We supported her by cutting down her work hours and we picked up the slack. If other members of the team need to go do something (maybe shopping for an elderly relative) we cover and make sure they can go do it when its quieter during the afternoon. I felt really ill one day last week and went to lay down. My team covered.

In all honesty, my boss who is the MD would not be happy if he found out we were doing this. He feels we should work the standard 8-5, no one looking after kids at the same time and no one leaving their desks during this time. I would get a bollocking. However, its my team and its my risk to take to try and keep them all supported and their stress levels down.

voxnihili · 19/05/2020 05:51

I’m really struggling and feel like I’m at breaking point. I’m senior leadership in a school, working from home because my toddler’s nursery is shut. I’m often up from 4am to get a couple of hours in before she gets up, then work from 8-11pm once she’s asleep. Throughout the day I have numerous phone calls from my boss. I’m also expected to do video meetings with staff throughout the day. If one of the staff I manage requests a meeting outside of the normal working day due to their childcare issues, I am more than happy to do that as it’s easier for me too but I can’t request it because of my own.

I’m exhausted and struggling to get up in the morning. I don’t know how much longer I can carry on. The working in the early morning and evening isn’t too bad, it’s the expectation that I’m also on call all day that I struggle most with. My toddler is not yet 2 so not really at an age where she is happy to just sit while I get on with stuff.

My biggest issue is my boss though, not my toddler.

NeurotrashWarrior · 19/05/2020 06:02

Most clients are expecting people to work around this eg working in the evenings when children are in bed to make up the time

With Under 5s or even 6s and children with SN, this is near impossible.

KatherineJaneway · 19/05/2020 06:26

@Peggysgettingcrazy

In all honesty, my boss who is the MD would not be happy if he found out we were doing this. He feels we should work the standard 8-5

How would he suggest dealing with children during those hours though?

Peggysgettingcrazy · 19/05/2020 06:35

How would he suggest dealing with children during those hours though?

Thats not his problem Hmm

The company communicated that employees can not look after children AND work and if they had no other choice then they would need unpaid leave.

Thankfully, he hasn't bothered contacting me in the last 8 weeks, so has no idea what the set up is here. Dp was living here, but we decided he needed to move out for some space. So he has no idea i am at home alone with my kids (not dps).

He certainly wouldnt have the faintest clue about what's happening in my teams homes. Thankfully, he keeps right out and (i think) is taking a 'if no one tells me and I dont have to do anything about it'.

I mean he is fine. His wife is a sahm. They have a live in nanny/housekeeper that they have had for years, so is oart of their household. He is all good. If he is all good a coping, he doesnt really understand why others can't. The fact that he is a millionaire, doesnr apparently come into it.

Can you tell i am not a fan?Grin

blackcat86 · 19/05/2020 06:49

Me and Dh are public sector and expected to do our normal work and working hours with a not yet 2 year old at home. I'm shielding to. Managers appear to constantly raise the expectations. For DH this means 2 days a week of being locked in our office with constant phone calls and 3 days sharing childcare but also having 2 video chat meetings. For me, my boss expects me to be avaliable for core hours for calls/video calls and then 'suggested' that if I wasnt working effectively i could also catch up in the evenings. As well as more admin tasks, calls, welfare checks and video chats we are now expected to do other tasks outside of this to. Any unhappiness from staff is being ruled as 'staff anxiety' rather than poor management and risk management. I am considering being signed off with stress if this continues. I cant do 12hr days whilst caring for a toddler!

Pluckedpencil · 19/05/2020 07:09

@peggysgettingcrazy you are a modern day hero and deserve a big fat promotion. If everyone took your approach to their team, the problem would be halved. Well done for getting on with it despite the classic "absent" manager above you. Big love to all the middle managers who deal with all the real problems and yet have nowhere to go with their own, try to not absorb too much these days, your team are not children and they don't need you to drain yourselves dry.

Peggysgettingcrazy · 19/05/2020 07:16

Not sure i am a hero.

Ironically, I was brought into the company because tbey don't have enough managers that genuinely know how to manage and support their teams.

The MD recognised their attrition was high because managers were no good in actually supporting people.

I have always had successes because, where possible I put people before targets. I find that when you do that, targets look after themselves. Makes my life easier and happier. Makes my teams lives easier and happier.

Of course there's a definite line and sometimes you have to make the hard decisions, or give a bollocking. Which I am happy to do.

My job is to get the companys MI out. Personally, as long as its legal, I think its up to me how I manage the team that do it.

Its not heroic. I think its what people managers should do. At a minimum.

But thank you, that's very sweet.

anothernamechangeagain · 19/05/2020 07:27

I'm public sector, expected to work my normal hours at my normal pace with a 3yo at home.
Haven't been asked if I'm coping was just told I had to work or take unpaid leave. Can't be furloughed as key worker, can't get childcare as I can't work from home.

anothernamechangeagain · 19/05/2020 07:30

As I can wfh *

Whattodowhattodooo · 19/05/2020 07:36

I've got a 5 year old and 11 month old. I am expected to do my full 25 hours in the week. I have to put my hours worked on a word document and at the end of the week this is emailed and then monitored to ensure I'm logging in/working when I say I am. Whether it actually IS monitored, I don't know..... I'm expected to do most of my work in the evening. Kids in bed by 7pm. I get to bed just gone 12ish most nights. Up at 6am.

I'm probably actually doing MORE work than when I was in the office. No distractions. Plausible situation long term? Good god no, I'm mentally and physically knackered!!

Livpool · 19/05/2020 07:48

My manager (not my direct line manager I should add! But our team manager) has been great. My DS is 4 and my DH has had to go to work a couple of times a week.

He understands that we can only do what we can. He knows us so knows no one is taking the piss.

It isn't just people with children though - he acknowledges this is very difficult for everyone

minny80 · 19/05/2020 08:22

I manage a team where I am the only parent. I am divorced and fortunately I have my 5yo just half of the time during the week. One member of my team was on compassionate leave for several weeks ( parent died to Covid). Now that she is back another member is off sick with mental health issues, been away for 2 weeks and he is going to be away 2 more weeks. I need to support the team, do more work because of missing people, work while homeschooling my son a few days per week, and also give the good example. My manager doesn't have children either so, although he shows sympathy when I explain things are not easy, conversations always fall on how carrying on business as usual. My company keeps sending out surveys to "check" on us and I keep feedback they need to be clearer on how they can support working parents... Really I can't see any other solution other that push forward.

TheTiaraManager · 19/05/2020 10:27

Saddened by the number of you that have uncaring managers & are working flat out Thanks

I'm on ML just now so feel quite fortunate in some respects

Realitea · 19/05/2020 10:31

We only have 13 people working for us and they’ve all been fantastic. Apart from one. He’s not working from home and has said he’s not coping well. He lives alone and we’ve had complaints about him. It’s very tough.

KatherineJaneway · 20/05/2020 07:46

Can you tell i am not a fan? Grin

I'm getting the hint Grin

joan04 · 20/05/2020 10:58

I read this article this last night: www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/news/articles/hr-managers-fear-rise-staff-absence-mental-ill-health-lockdown

Just wondered if anyone else is struggling at work with an 'always online' culture? I work for a media company and we have this program called Slack which is horrendous as you never feel you can switch off - it's basically a chat program but seems to be the default medium for setting work and talking to others in the company. My boss is one of those that really enjoys her career and can't seem to understand why others see their job as just a job either so is thriving in this environment.

I know I'm really lucky to have a job at the moment and this isn't meant as a woe is me type post but it's really affecting my mental health and anxiety levels. The first thing I do in the morning and last thing at night is check Slack, I don't have a commute or lunch break to break up the day and feel that unless I am online for 10 hours a day then it will be noticed by senior management. We have just had to make half the company redundant which has only added to the pressure as I work in a cost centre side of the business rather than revenue generator.

I just wondered how others in the same boat are getting on and might have any advice.

EmbarrassedUser · 20/05/2020 11:09

I just don’t have enough work to do at the moment. The sort of work I do has ground to a halt and whilst it will pick up a lot needs to be rearranged for the future. That’s part of what I’m doing now. It’s public sector (MOD) so no job worries, just a bit boring.