Why are people not wearing masks?

[FergusComeLately]

I’m queuing inside my local supermarket, I’ve see one other person wearing a mask.

Does it not make sense to just TRY to protect other people and try and keep infection rates down. Even a scarf wound round your face?!

I think they should be compulsory when you are inside. Is it the PPE shortage which is preventing Boris from making it so?

Talk to me about masks!

@Sudokubook

That's nice dear.

There will always be immune compromised people. Is it too much to ask that we all wear masks in public, forever, to help them out?

Yes. It very much is. I can't believe someone would think that'd be fine.

How I managed to survive my own childhood I will never know. Never mind getting my own kids through the usual chicken. pox, nits, stomach bugs, flu season, this season, and whatever next.

Where was all this concern about my health then?
Where were all these masks and whatever else to help those things stop spreading?

But now suddenly everyone gives a fuck?

A few years ago, wash your fucking hands was the advice to stop that nasty stomach bug. Yet people still went out and mingled. No consideration for anyone else, spreading it around. And extra thanks for quickly forgetting the hand wash advice. I'd say must be nice, but it's minging really.

Wonder how many little Jonnie/Sally will be sent to school, with the mask on, coughing and spluttering all over the place. Or how about don't be silly, that stomach stuff stopped 16 hours ago, of course, he can go back to school?

And yet, me the one who cannot wear some bs 'look at me' mask, I don't give a flying fuck what you do. Just leave me and who knows, others, the fuck alone. I don't need your patronising bs. Called selfish etc. How can I be selfish when I don't want you to do a thing for me? I am not making demands on anyone. Yet, some of you are so intent on making demands on others.

And yes, we are getting a clear signal from others. Yea, avoid, not because of the CV risk. Who the fuck needs people like that in their lives? It shows people how little you actually value others. It shows how little respect others have for anyone outside of their own little boxes.

How some of you will have the balls to stand in the playground, all look at me, knowing damn well, less than a year ago you ignored those letters.

Thing is, it seems that most other deaths from diseases like cancer, seasonal flu, heart attacks etc, have diminished, and most people are dying of the Rona. I had to go to the Dr with a head cold, and had just been running about with the dogs. I told the nurse that held a scanner-thermometer at my forehead and told me that I was to be put down as CV-19. I explained that I had a slight head cold and had been charging about with my dogs, before coming down immediately after for my appointment. So I didn't have enough time to cool down.

Unfortunately they weren't having it and they wanted to reschedule my appointment. I told them to forget it until this nonsense goes away.

I'm in the At-Risk group and still don't believe, like a PP has said that we managed to get through hundreds of 1000's of years of so many other diseases/infections with the same bloody mentality. If we had the same mentality back when we were running about clobbering animals over the head for food, we'd never have survived this long.

Even my late friend, who was immuno-compromised with chemo for cancer, said that the country should NEVER alter their usual routines, for the small number of people who will die due to having compromised immune systems. In fact, it should be the other way round.

Anyway, more Drs are coming out and telling us that the only reason THEY wear masks in surgical rooms is to stop drool/spit/sneezing from the surgical staff, entering the sterile surgical field.

Another point is that more studies are coming out that Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), alongside Azithromycin and Zinc are one of the best ways to prevent and treat CV-19. These studies are coming, not only from Marseilles, in France, but many other areas around the world. With only very few cases reporting any significant side effects.

Most cases using this regime, don't report any side effects, yet Rendesivir (a new medication at $1000 per pill) is being touted as the best thing, while Both HCQ, and Azithromycin have both been well established for at least the last 50yrs as safe to use, and both cost less than $1 each.

I'm not going to do links, as I've done enough research on this and I don't believe in making it easy for anyone else (after all, if I had to scour through many documents for hours on end, on various websites such as Google Scholar, to name just one, then others should have to go through the same process and make the same effort). If you can't get on Google Scholar, then just use Google for a very brief overview. It's time people asked for websites to go to instead of demanding links to make it easier on themselves, when others had to do the searching.

I am having nightmares and panic attacks because of the mask. I still wear one whenever I run errands because I am not a bad person. There really isn’t any other way to say this. We are getting a clear visual flag about the character of every person we encounter.

Good for you. When I try and put a mask on I get flashbacks to trying to breathe through my rapist's hands. I can feel his fingers pinching my nose shut. I can feel my heart pounding and that terror...the stomach churning, this my last breath panic. The last time I tried, I ended up with a massive scratch on my face from trying to yank it straight back off. The thought of them becoming mandatory played a part in the events which almost led to me getting sectioned two weeks ago. All my ptsd symptoms are back, I'm not eating, not sleeping, I need to check the door is locked multiple times an hour. I'm clearly such an awful person, maybe I should be stoned in the street?

My friend who works with vulnerable people went to the supermarket wearing one today and said she got lots of judgy looks. Perhaps the key here is to stop judging others for making different choices?

I don't use public transport. I'm not going shopping. I am not going to wear a mask whilst out because I really don't want to end up in a psychiatric hospital. I am capable of staying 2 ms away from people and given I loathe strangers in my space, I wish they'd do the same for me.

When I try and put a mask on I get flashbacks to trying to breathe through my rapist's hands. I can feel his fingers pinching my nose shut. I can feel my heart pounding and that terror...the stomach churning, this my last breath panic.

My friend who works with vulnerable people went to the supermarket wearing one today and said she got lots of judgy looks
Seems people get judged here whatever they do then!
I'm with you, how about we stop judging strangers and just getting on with our own lives.

If gps insist on masks for appointments they should probably provide them so people don't walk in wearing the ones they keep in their cars with the ice scraper and driving gloves, never being washed or replaced.

We got through our childhoods with chicken pox and everything else because they weren’t novel viruses which no one had immunity from.

100 years ago millions died from Spanish flu.

I can’t believe the resistance to a temporary and effective measure that only needs to be used in public transport or shops to help prevent loads of deaths.

Dinosauratemydaffodils

Because plastic waste and pollution is a bigger problem.

Ok here's a scenario for you.

It gets announced that to help the fight, they've found a link that mini skirts might help. Mixed reviews about the benefits, replace the mask for the mini skirt.

Would you still say it should be compulsory?

I thought they only worked if you were positive for COVID

Here's another one for you. Men are known to contract the virus more readily and become ill from it more than females. So I know! Mandate the masks, then go a step further, women need to cover up more than men because you know, greater good, protection and respect for others.

@canigooutyet

That is a bullshit false equivalency and you know it. 🙄

You can't say that, Dainty, nothing is as bad as C19. No amount of sacrifice is unworthy of giving up. Greater good, you know.

@Whataloadofshite

Both made from material, both can be made at home or made to order etc.

So how is that a BS equivalency?

Because I can't stand anything on my face, I'd panic,.

I can't breathe with one on so that's why I'm not wearing one.

I completely agree that those who can't manage to wear them should be free to not wear them. But that also means that those of us who can, should. It's cheap, it's simple, it protects others. It's worth doing if you're somewhere busy.

I do think there's a case for a public information campaign on the benefits and how to use them.

The real life analogy is condoms and AIDS. Wasn't compulsory but there was a big public health campaign and it did mean that public attitudes shifted which helped to reduce transmission.

Also seatbelts in cars a better analogy than miniskirts or whatever. I remember lots of people saying it would impede their driving, reduce their responsiveness - and there is data to support that theory. But nevertheless, in aggregate it saved lives and reduced injuries.

There's plenty of evidence seatbelts work. There's evidence masks work if you have symptoms (but why not stay inside instead?). There isn't evidence masks work if you are asymptomatic. Therefore they are not recommended by WHO and are not compulsory. I doubt the WHO was worried about a run on old socks when they decided not to advise the public to cut up clothing and sling it haphazardly across their faces.

There will always be immune compromised people. Is it too much to ask that we all wear masks in public, forever, to help them out?

Yes. It very much is. I can't believe someone would think that'd be fine.

----

It was me that wrote that, I do not think it's sensible, I was pointing out the lack of balance in the mask debate.

There's always been infectious disease; there always will be.

I understand the seatbelt policy of course. The difference is that I have the choice to get in a car or not. I can still move around freely without the need for a car. I can go to shops, use public transport etc without having to carry that seatbelt about.

Put in blanket policies, or with a side note about demanding evidence, and that choice has gone. Which goes back to our basic rights that some would happily give away just to make sure that everyone wore a mask. So why should it matter if I replaced the mask for a miniskirt?

Some simply couldn't comprehend that there are people in society who cannot wear the mask regardless of their reasons. What type of thought process goes into telling those with various breathing problems, that they are selfish for wanting to breathe?

And of course, cannot forget this like the fabulous suggestion of

There will always be immune compromised people. Is it too much to ask that we all wear masks in public, forever, to help them out?

Opps massive cross-post there with @MarginalGain at the end. I read it like you were being serious.

Masks are a significant impingement on human interaction, I won't wear one willingly. Any business that requires them will just lose my business.

Maybe there aren't enough people like me to cause a dent in their business and they'll crack on without me- that's fine too.

Although will add, if people think there's nothing wrong with what was suggested. No amount of explaining will help, and yea carry on with your virtual signalling and stay out of other peoples lives. Tell yourself you are doing it to protect those that cannot wear masks, as they sit at home.