Schools won't be reoping on 1 June, and if they do, I won't be sending my child

[effingterrified]

Unions will be doing what they exist to do and protecting the health of their members.

Until Boris can provide teachers with a safe workplace ie PPE for all staff, adequate social distancing, etc, unions will be telling members not to go in.

And if they do open, I won't be sending my child in as they wouldn't learn anything in the last few weeks under these conditions, and the health risks not only to the children, but to the teachers and parents, are not worth it.

Plus my child relies on a school bus to get to school and there is zero way of socially distancing on one of them. Or of running 3 school buses, say, per route, at an affordable cost.

Also, my dc is happy as Larry off school, and learning as much or more. Let's face it, how many kids object to longer school holidays? I know there are some eg vulnerable kids, but they can already attend at present.

Fed up of threads pretending all parents can't wait for schools to reopen. Not among the ones I know.

[tickertyboo]

Kazzyhoward, all of these services require people to carry out this work. I would quite happily make a choice to access these services if I knew that these people where working in a safe environment.

[mrpumblechook]

Such services need to be restarted asap and then, and only then, can the person make an informed choice whether to use that service or not!

Considering cancer treatments have been stopped because of the risk of catching coronavirus ending lockdown is going to make things worse not better.

[Inkpaperstars]

Mayor of Liverpool has stated schools in the city will not be reopening on June 1st regardless of govt advice. I am not sure of the details or practicalities of this, he was on Newsnight last night.

[Kazzyhoward]

Considering cancer treatments have been stopped because of the risk of catching coronavirus ending lockdown is going to make things worse not better.

Surely that's for the cancer patient to make their own CHOICE as to whether they want treatment to hope to live a few years longer and bear the risk of catching Covid, or not have treatment and have the CERTAINTY of not living through the Summer!!

[Kazzyhoward]

Mayor of Liverpool has stated schools in the city will not be reopening on June 1st regardless of govt advice. I am not sure of the details or practicalities of this, he was on Newsnight last night.

I thought we lived in a democracy. Surely it's for the council of Liverpool to decide what to do, not just one person? Or is Liverpool a dictatorship?

[mrpumblechook]

*Surely that's for the cancer patient to make their own CHOICE as to whether they want treatment to hope to live a few years longer and bear the risk of catching Covid, or not have treatment and have the CERTAINTY of not living through the Summer!!"

My point is that if the lcokdown ends and cases rise they will have more chance of dying of coronavirus because they are immunosuppressed. i.e. stopping lockdown will hardly be beneficial for them.

[Hadenoughfornow]

mrpumble sorry that makes no sense.

Patients are getting treatment due to lockdown.

So they are dying due to lack of treatment.

Yet you say that if lockdown is lifted and they start getting treatment they will die because they will catch Corona virus. (Where it would be hoped there would be sufficient infection control to prevent this.

Sorry my wee brain just can't take your logic.

[Hadenoughfornow]

*aren't getting treatment

[Geraniumblue]

I am glad the schools will be opening so that parents can make that choice, but it needs to be a fully informed one. It needs to be made crystal clear to parents what their child can expect - which will be nothing like normal school. At ours the remote learning will still carry on, so children who don’t go will not be missing out.
Some children have been really struggling and need to be back in school.

[mrpumblechook]

Patients aren't getting treatment due to lockdown.

The lockdown isn't the reason that patients aren't getting treatment for some conditions including a lot of cancer treatment. It is because the treatment causes immunosuppression which will make the person more vulnerable to coronavirus. Stopping lockdown and letting cases rise is not going to help them as it will put them at even more risk.

[Kokeshi123]

But treatment for all kinds of things has been stopped, not just cancer.

[mrpumblechook]

But treatment for all kinds of things has been stopped, not just cancer.

I didn't say just cancer treatments. Many treatments for other conditions have also stopped because it will put the person at higher risk if they get infected. Using lockdown and increase in cases not going to help that particularly as if cases rise hospitals could be overrun.

[mrpumblechook]

Using stopping

[Kazzyhoward]

Many treatments for other conditions have also stopped because it will put the person at higher risk if they get infected.

Someone who is going to die in the next couple of months if they don't get their cancer treatment restarted should have the choice of being given treatment. They're going to die if they don't get treatment soon, as opposed to maybe dying if they catch Covid because of the treatment. If they get the treatment and don't catch Covid, they have the potential to live a normal life for the next decade or so. I can't understand how the NHS can justify not providing the cancer treatment they'd already started when they, themselves, have said the patient will die without treatment this Summer. It's nonsensical.

[mrpumblechook]

Someone who is going to die in the next couple of months if they don't get their cancer treatment restarted should have the choice of being given treatment. They're going to die if they don't get treatment soon, as opposed to maybe dying if they catch Covid because of the treatment. If they get the treatment and don't catch Covid, they have the potential to live a normal life for the next decade or so. I can't understand how the NHS can justify not providing the cancer treatment they'd already started when they, themselves, have said the patient will die without treatment this Summer. It's nonsensical.

I am sure that they are being offered treatment if the benefits outweigh the risk which will be the case if they would die in a couple of months without treatment versus totally cured with treatment. However, for other patients the risk of getting coronavirus and dying will be higher than the risk of not postponing treatment and dying and for those patients a rise in cases of Covid will only further increase the risk of treatment versus benefits i.e. cause further delays.

[BunsyGirl]

Well, OP, my DC’s school are reopening...just had the email!!!

[mrpumblechook]

Well, OP, my DC’s school are reopening...just had the email!!!

I didn't think it was decided yet. Is it a state school?

[NamesNamesSoManyNames]

Well, OP, my DC’s school are reopening...just had the email!!!

I didn't think it was a set I stone date, but would be announced later on IF it was safe?

[Inkpaperstars]

@Kazzyhoward

I would think you are right and he doesn't have final say. I don't know if he has lots of support or is grandstanding. Sorry not to have more info, I just literally saw him on BBC.

[TiredMummyXYZ]

This is the British Medical Association’s letter of support for the teaching union NEU. Interesting reading.

[Kazzyhoward]

I am sure that they are being offered treatment if the benefits outweigh the risk which will be the case if they would die in a couple of months without treatment versus totally cured with treatment.

No, they're not. My OH is in this exact position and no one in the oncology dept will even phone him back, let alone explain his options/risks, etc. As for "totally cured", I don't think there is such a state with cancer is there? Treatment can be successful and the patient is in remission, but they never say "cured".