If Britain has mishandled this crisis, what steps do we take now to turn things around...

[jobhunter7]

Thank you

What's with the thank you? is that what's used instead of "discuss'' now?

Why don't you start this off with your opinion, instead of fishing for ours?

Perhaps we could do a little more of this:

That you Boris?

What do you mean if?
There was a small window when we had our chance to change the course of the pandemic and we just pretended it wasn’t happening and carried on partying and going to pubs until it was far too late.

So the only things we can do now are:
Testing and contact tracing all people with symptoms.
Quarantine for people coming into the country.
Quarantine for people leaving hospital back into care homes.
Full sick pay for everyone self isolating.
Even more online food deliveries.
Adequate PPE for everyone.
Encourage people to be healthier.

Carry on following social distancing as far as possible. Those of us who can still stay home, should.
Carry on shielding the most vulnerable people as much as possible.

Well nothing short of going back in time and not electing a complete moron to run the country.

In the newspaper coverage today of one publication, it showed 50/50 were wearing face coverings...

Perhaps there needs to be more public information ads to encourage this...

You do get msnetters from other countries - they may have suggestions as to what has worked (or not) in other nations...

I'm in another country. Bit late for my suggestions now though.

We had a proper, enforced lockdown where people, you know, stayed at home and didn't spend hours tying themselves into knots justifying why they didn't have to stay at home like everybody else did and how it was OK to go and sit in gardens - even though this was explicitly forbidden and would result in a huge fine. Nobody was having a picnic or sitting on park benches - again this would result in a huge fine. Nobody was having family days out as only one person was allowed to be in a car.

Consequently, the numbers of infections/deaths have fallen. It's been a long 8 weeks but we are allowed out now - we can socialise in groups of up to 10. Bars and cafes/restaurants may be allowed to open in June. Schools are starting to re-open.

But the UK can't turn back the clock and do this now so I'm not sure how it helps.

We don't.
It's simply too late.
At this point, whatever happens, happens.

More public information on how to make ‘masks’ out of old t shirts! Are you having a laugh??

@fairycrossthemersey

I'll listen to your suggestions...

My only useful suggestion would be to work on inventing a time machine and then get the UK to do lockdown properly.

Sorry, that's no help to you but what's done is done.

Should we have quarantined people from the beginning of the year as they came into the country?

We haven't abandoned all measures, like many countries we have had a lockdown... and it has seemingly depressed the rate on infection...

You can look at what other countries have done and draw your own conclusions.
It is pretty much too late to change things here IMO.
But I agree with Herbie and feelingverylazy.

@endofthelinefinally

The management of the crisis is still evolving though...

Community testing centres, masks, handwashing stations, just reopen everything that can be socially distanced now.

What @HerbieHerr said.

Ideally

Provide ppe to all nhs & care staff who need

Test, trace and track - ideally test everyone whether they've symptoms or not

Close the borders to all non residents and quarantine those coming in

Keep the schools closed until at least next academic year.

Keep everyone who is able to wfh

Keep social distancing, isolation and shielding in place for at least another 6 weeks and review based on science not politics

Majority of people need to stay home - the enforcement has been shite and that's not police's fault it's govt for vague instructions and pathetic fines!

Universal basic income instead of this piecemeal crap with the financial aid that even experts struggle to make head or tail of.

What the govt SHOULD have done from the start and I'm talking December, certainly January not bloody March!

Closed borders to all non residents and quarantined those coming in

Bought/made ppe, vents etc

Started the process of developing & manufacturing tests and a vaccination

WITHOUT prioritising which manufacturers were approached/used based on their political donations/endorsement!

Instigated a proper lockdown with huge fines for breaching including but not limited to:

Created even a temporary UBI to address the financial issues. Quicker, easier and I have no doubt would have been cheaper than fannying about with furlough etc

Banned all public gatherings - concerts, sports events etc

Closed all shops that don't PRIMARILY sell food

Restricted sales to essential goods (food & drink, toiletries, cleaning products, medical supplies)

Told supermarkets to contact their current online customers to establish if vulnerable or not and ensured those customers were prioritised by them for online deliveries. This would have minimised panic buying and panic booking of delivery slots. Most regular customers like myself had a regular day and roughly regular time for their usually weekly deliveries and would have managed if that had been protected. Instead we were all left flailing desperately booking slots wherever we could get them.

Also on that note they should have clamped down on the panic buying as soon as they realised it was happening and restricted customers to 3 of each item.

And another on that note - I've seen very little of what manufacturers did in response to the panic buying and even now there's certain products that are still proving very hard to get hold of. The supermarkets were quite obviously recruiting more staff as soon as increase in demand became apparent, I've not seen or heard of this same happening with manufacturers did it?

I'm housebound and dependent on online deliveries and as soon as this all kicked off took me a good couple weeks to get another delivery and it's practically become a full time job finding delivery slots and managing the orders to ensure I get what I need, and I'm talking basics of any brand not me being fussy about "i must have Heinz baked beans" but essentials, bread milk etc

Yes this seems fairly strict but I really think if this had been done it wouldn't have had to last that long, and far fewer people would have been infected.

They've handled it APPALLINGLY!

Too little, too late and couldn't organise the proverbial piss up!

We were abroad until the end of January. We rushed home because we were certain the UK would stop all flights in at the beginning of February.
Because the Covid19 virus was all over the international newsfeeds throughout January.
We self isolated for 2 weeks when we got back because we knew it was the right thing to do.
We have been aghast and despairing at the government ever since.

Actually the strength of our lockdown was fine, it was just about a fortnight too late. There has also been significant mismanagement of care homes.

Infections fell rapidly after lockdown, you could say that Spain and Italy have put people under undue mental pressure by not allowing them to exercise etc.

Should we have done what they have done in New Zealand?

replace most of the human population with sheep???

You cant send schools back till you have ppe for nhs staff and care homes. Nir should you be sending them back with no masks.
They could have had volunteers doing the tracing contacts they STILL arent doing it.
Still not quarantining flights. I would actually stop completely apart from goods.
Sort out the materials for the tests.
Let people have the antibody tests. We can release those people it really is the only way. We have too much infection.
Tbh i think we should bubble off from bristol down and wales and scotland.

Most important is to get vit d fortifying flour. And injections to front line nhs and care homes. And elderly.
Slovakia have already been supplementing people for a month.....
But most of all we need everyone to stop being so selfish. The threads where people have ill people in the house but they must go out for food. Why is there not an emergency number.
Even if we do go for quarantine for flights i expect they will just let he people off the plane and onto PT....

Tbh i would be shocked if it wasnt actthe uk that have dropped the ball and infected the rest of the world. There are just too many people that think they had it this wi ter. US was temp checking people from china in jan. At no point did we do that.
Imo that is something that passengers are going to need to fund - scanners at airports.
And tbh i would pay more for all pt if they put scanners in at say the underground stations and bus terminals.

Our other biggest mistake is lting about masks. They could have said make your own back in march.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/elimination-what-new-zealands-coronavirus-response-can-teach-the-world

Lets pick the best most effective bits from other countries
Quarantine
Masks
sD
Shutting schools
Testing and tracking and enforcing!!!
Stopping flights because its ludicrous that people can fly in when we werent supposed to be driving
Corona taxis.
Separate corona hospitals as im sure lots of people admitted for other things died as well as people having appts.
Hotels for people dischsged with covid who arent testing negstive yet.

It only took a few flights of people from an infected country to cause this. (Those people coming back from itsl should have been met at the airport and quarantined not sent back to work. But i have to say they all knew how serious it was and how italy was locked down i would not have gone back to work or school.