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So the school guidance is out...

498 replies

Norecallpup · 11/05/2020 21:01

Sorry if this has already been done. I could cry, I really could. Absolutely nothing. Just wash your hands, wipe down surfaces and encourage kids to cough into tissues! I don’t know why I’m shocked. Our government are a bunch of twats!

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Pluckedpencil · 15/05/2020 16:25

It's simple. Teachers shouldn't be put at risk. Doctors and nurses are saving lives. Teachers aren't. Education isn't life and death. That's why firemen work at weekends and teachers don't. It's not essential, that's why it was closed in the first place. This is protection of the economy, that's it. All people arguing otherwise are still in denial about the severity of the virus in the uk right now.

GrimmsFairytales · 15/05/2020 16:27

What happens if a member of staff from a bubble is ill, not Covid maybe but just ill. Can another teacher from another bubble cover them?

I don't believe so, as then there is a risk of cross contamination. I suppose it would have to be another staff member, who didn't have their own bubble. Although that's going to be difficult to staff for many schools.

Pluckedpencil · 15/05/2020 16:27

Also this is not just playing with the lives of teachers but the lives of everyone because this will certainly increase deaths. For sure 100%.

Onceuponatimethen · 15/05/2020 16:28

I agree @Pluckedpencil that is the key concern

babybythesea · 15/05/2020 16:36

Actually, I think one of the big things is how different that will be and how that will impact on little ones. Big kids, you can explain it to, so it makes some sense. But little ones?

And think about what they would normally do in a classroom, and what of that can be easily and quickly cleaned. Anything that cannot be easily cleaned should be removed.

No books, reading books or books just to look at.
No comfy cushions.
No Lego (you can clean plastic but hundreds of tiny pieces?)
No soft toys
No dressing up
No colouring unless you bring your own
No play dough or plasticine

Ours won’t be able to use the climbing frames etc in the playground because we can’t clean it properly in between each bubble using it and it’s not fair to one group to say “You can use it” and the rest “you can’t”.

And the toys that are there, the teachers have to be able to clean fast, in between supervising loads of extra hand washing, cleaning shared surfaces like sinks etc.

I would also like to throw in here that if there is one teacher per bubble, to prevent cross infection, then how does that teacher go to the loo? Or indeed, have a lunch break? I’m eating with my bubble I guess. And who supervises the kids while I’m cleaning the loo?

I do worry about the little ones coming back. The ones who were always reluctant to come back anyway after a couple of weeks at home with mum. I keep reading people saying “They need normality.” We’ll, it won’t be, because their classroom will look different and their day will operate differently and their teacher might be different...
And “They need their education”. How much will they really learn, at that age, if they are confused, and we don’t have all the resources which we use to help them learn in the best way for their age? Five year olds do not learn by sitting at a desk listening to a teacher. We know that, so they don’t do it in school. If, last September, you thought that’s how your child was spending their school day, there would have been uproar, because that’s not how they learn. So why are we pretending that they will learn that way now?
I’ve seen “Kids will have to adapt.” Yup. But not by overturning the way their brains process information at 5 years old.
Our job will be making sure they feel safe and secure. They won’t be back to reality, and they won’t do much learning (even if we work out the best way to teach them in the new normal, if they are more concerned with why their friend isn’t in, they won’t take it in anyway).

I want to go back. But I am worried about the impact this will have on the kids I care about.

MyHipsDontLieUnfortunately · 15/05/2020 16:39

I don’t want my children out from my under my feet but I do really want some time to myself, and I will not be made to feel bad about that.

Oh right @Bigfishylittlefishy, so teachers can facilitate that for you, can they? I'd love some time for myself too but that can't happen. This is about the most selfish thing I have read and you really should feel bad about it.

Bigfishylittlefishy · 15/05/2020 16:43

@myhipsdontlie - yes I would like some time to myself to get my own work done which involves educating students in a special FE college. Sadly not to just sit there with my feet up. Working from home with three young children is not sustainable and isn’t doing any of our MH any good. So no I do not feel bad for that.

SmileEachDay · 15/05/2020 16:54

The BMA agree with the teaching unions

www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159119264918974&set=a.101564028973&type=3

LavenderLilacTree · 15/05/2020 16:58

Evidence is that time out of school won't harm their education

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-17/will-missing-school-due-to-covid-19-matter-for-school-students/12154266

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 15/05/2020 17:14

I'm noticing a theme on MN and FB and other places.
People saying similar to this:
I’ve worked full time from home with three young children and I need a break. You cannot pour from an empty cup

They're working full time from home, whilst kids are there and need a break.
Weird they'd rather send their kids somewhere with the possibility that they may become ill instead of discussing their needs and stress levels with their employers. I'd imagine it's be safer and easier to talk to employers instead of risking teacher and childs health.
But what do I know

Piggywaspushed · 15/05/2020 17:17

I agree. Lots of teachers are also experiencing that challenge!

PickUpAPickUpAPenguin · 15/05/2020 17:20

Are the teachers and TAs going to be doing all the extra cleaning and disinfecting or will the cleaners, playground supervisors and lunchtime supervisors start working longer hours? Is there even enough stock of cleaning equipment and chemicals available for schools to order?

TinySleepThief · 15/05/2020 17:23

Are the teachers and TAs going to be doing all the extra cleaning and disinfecting

It sounds like that's the plan. The extra cleaning supplies will probably comr6 out of the teachers paychecks.

cantkeepawayforever · 15/05/2020 18:19

I should imagine that we will be doing all the 'inside the bubble' cleaning throughout the day with our 15 kids (except perhaps at lunchtime, depending on how long they are out of the classroom). Certainly before we locked down, we were cleaning tables etc 5x per day within our own classrooms.

I would hope that separate 'outside the bubble' staff would be cleaning door handles & toilets, emptying bins, cleaning floors etc at the end of the school day or while bubbles were in their own rooms.

MyHipsDontLieUnfortunately · 15/05/2020 18:50

yes I would like some time to myself to get my own work done which involves educating students in a special FE college. Sadly not to just sit there with my feet up.

As would I @bigfishylittlefishy but I'm going to be in school more often, still setting and marking work for years 7-9 and overseeing my own DCs' learning. But as long as you get some time to yourself Hmm

Keepdistance · 15/05/2020 19:03

Will you be back in the fe colkege?

PickUpAPickUpAPenguin · 15/05/2020 19:29

twitter.com/thebma/status/1261281483106508801?s=21

BMA are supporting the teaching unions

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2020 09:59

There's a definite labour / tory and North / South divide opening up on this.

Liverpool has said not before 15th June at the earliest. Rochdale Council has said it will decide not central government. Gateshead has said not on 1st June. Manchester as a whole is strongly leaning the same way but is yet to declare its intentions.

The big thing is that the R and number of cases is significantly higher in the NW and around the Gateshead areas than London.

Williamson has been strongly doubling down on the government line on this (at the expense of teachers) to point score against the unions for political reasons. However there has been an admission that decisions will probably be localised.

My point being that both sides of this know the situation and know that the 5 conditions are highly unlikely to be met in all parts of the country by 1st June.

The government have to back down but won't do so without having someone else to blame (especially since they are keen on a generalised roll back on workers rights and health and safety rights). And Labour won't let the government push them into an unsafe situation so if they believe in health and safety have no choice but to oppose the government.

It sucks. Kids and teachers are stuck in the middle of it.

Both sides are showing in different ways that 1st June isn't really viable across England as a whole with the scientific advice we have now. But the way its being discussed is appalling.

If you are in the North and your school is council controlled by a Labour Council I doubt it will be 1st June. (I suspect that none council controlled academies may be out of step with their local councils for this reason too).

Looks like this is going to get really politically messy.

Piggywaspushed · 17/05/2020 10:03

I am also disgusted by the numbers of MAT heads angling for their knighthoods (if they haven't already got them) about this.

SmileEachDay · 17/05/2020 10:27

I agree Piggy

Xenia · 17/05/2020 10:29

Yes, I knew from day 1 this was not going to bring us together which is a huge pity as we were just getting over the Brexit/Remain divide as a nation and now this.... some people are getting paid, some are getting furlough money - others get not a penny of anything. It is a massive divide.

The person above who works in the FE college if the pupils are back or never left then presumably you might be able to send your own children to school anyway now and throughout on the basis you have to work and it is essential provision as a special FE college?

Floatyboat · 17/05/2020 10:58

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/scientists-divided-over-coronavirus-risk-to-children-if-schools-reopen

I found this the most balanced news article discussing the risks

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2020 17:42

Hugo Rifkind @hugorifkind
One for any teachers or headteachers who follow me in England. Is there any published DforE advice about what remote teaching you should be doing during lockdown, and how? Easy to find for Scotland and NI; English situation seems somewhat more... obscure.

... because it strikes me that there's a lot of debate about the unknowable q of when schools should go back, but very little about what guidance schools have been getting while away. And the disparity between the experiences of parents I know in the state sector is extraordinary

And before anyone jumps in, none of this is an attack on teachers who, in my limited experience, are often going above and beyond. But the framework behind what they ought to be doing should be very clear to all of us, and doesn't seem to be.

This, I'd already seen. But it's a long way from "Zoom kids once a day in groups of 4" etc. Very vague.
www.gov.uk/guidance/remote-education-during-coronavirus-covid-19

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