People cured - wtf

[letitgolego]

Why are we the only fucking country that isn't reporting on how many people are cured of coronavirus? Surely this would help moral and provide a better picture of the mortality of this disease rather than reporting on just death number? Why are we the only country incapable of this?


www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

This information is taken from the website above which I believe to be very credible if any MNetter wants to have a look

[ArriettyJones]

Can you not express yourself without using the F word? It sounds so lower class.

The traditional MN response to that kind of bollocks is “off you fuck then cunty chops”.

Sorry. Tradition. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[ThumbWitchesAbroad]

I don't honestly think the UK govt has the first fucking clue how many people even have the sodding virus.

About 4 weeks ago my sister was ill - she was already self-isolating as much as possible, as her DDs had been at school when 2 children there were identified as having covid19, so they were being very cautious. My sister had a temp, sweats, dreadful cough, shortness of breath BUT she not only couldn't get tested for covid19, she couldn't even get antibiotics for what could easily have been her annual bronchitis.
She was pretty scared - but I reminded her she'd had pneumonia 20 years ago, so she knew what it felt like - she said yes, it wasn't that bad, more like her usual bronchitis (she has lung scarring from the pneumonia) but if she got worse she'd go to the hospital.

So we don't know if she's had covid19 or not - because the GP was totally uninterested in testing her (or couldn't because no access to tests, who knows) and they just told her to stay in self-isolation within her home for 14 days, and see how she got on.

She's not the only person who will have had a similar experience, not by a long shot - so how the govt thinks their figures are in any way accurate is beyond me.

[letitgolego]

@Shinesweetfreedom

Long term damage is still recovered as long as the body is actually free from the virus.

E.g

People who lose limbs to cancer are still recovered despite, for example, having their leg amputated

People who lose their hearing to measles are still recovered from measles even if the hearing loss is permanent

People who lose lung capacity due to polio are still recovered from polio despite, in some cases, still needing an iron lung.

Being recovered is being free of the disease/virus, not free of its long term implications/effects

[Reginabambina]

@YE420032c I take it that the irony is lost on you.

[CloudsCoveredTheSky]

I am Korean and live in Korea.

They report the number of recovered people here every day. I think they count recovered as having had three negative tests in the space of three days. I may be wrong about the exact numbers but something like that.

There are plenty of tests here though.

[daisychain01]

Why are we the only fucking country that isn't reporting on how many people are cured of coronavirus? Surely this would help moral and provide a better picture of the mortality of this disease rather than reporting on just death number?

It's a misguided 'morale-boost' reporting on people "cured" of Coronavirus if their quality of life has been (maybe) permanently destroyed because of the disease. There isn't even a "cure" yet. It certainly wouldn't boost my morale to know that my lung capacity will never recover, but it's ok because I'm alive.

What's the point in creating even more spreadsheets of stats that confuse, conflate and misinform? It's way too early to make those kind of statements, this virus has only been around for under a year.

[PhilCornwall1]

@ThumbWitchesAbroad

I think you've hit the nail on the head. The mantra from the beginning has always been if you have any of the symptoms you and your family self isolate for 7 and 14 days respectively. That's not conclusive proof that you even have it. It's basically only go to hospital if you are on your last legs. So the numbers don't stack up.

I'm also far from convinced on the number of deaths involving COVID-19. I know what I am going to relay next could be bollocks as it was on social media, but a person complained that their relatives cause of death was recorded as COVID-19, even though they tested negative. A Doctor piped up and said "yes, we do that if we decide that there is a chance that's the cause, even if the test is negative". Now to me that either says the Doctors don't trust the tests or it's poor recording. Who knows, but as I said that could all be bollocks.

PS: sorry for using bullocks, I'm so lower class!!

[Mnthrowaway20202]

@PhilCornwall1

Apparently the test is only 60% accurate hence why the doctor didn’t seem to trust the result

[PhilCornwall1]

@Mnthrowaway20202 bloody hell (less lower class). And there they were stood up every day saying our tests will be accurate or "no test is better than a bad test", which is very true.

[CloudsCoveredTheSky]

"Apparently the test is only 60% accurate hence why the doctor didn’t seem to trust the result"

Do you have a source for that?

[WindmillsofmyMind]

You don’t get retested here at all. If you test positive energy as staff at a nursing home right now you get sent home. If asymptotic you self isolate for seven days then go back to work. If you have symptoms you self isolate for seven days OR until your temperature has returned to normal, whichever is longer. Then you return to work. There’s no retesting. People could be returning to work still ill. We really have no idea if people are recovered or not.

[WindmillsofmyMind]

*no idea where the “energy” came from

[ThumbWitchesAbroad]

Where's "here", Windmills?

[Durgasarrow]

It is hard to definitively say someone is "cured" of coronavirus--the aftereffects may linger for years as far as we know. The closest we can come is comparing the number of total cases to the number of deaths.

[ThumbWitchesAbroad]

I think the only criterion for "recovered from covid19" is "not dead from covid19".

But even that can't be measured with any accuracy because no one fucking KNOWS!

Even in Australia they started limiting the tests quite early on in March - by then they'd done something like 40 000 tests and only had tens of positives. DS1 had a cough/cold/something before schools closed, I kept him off school of course but couldn't get him into the doc because he didn't fit the criteria imposed for testing - he didn't have a temp above 38 degrees, he didn't have a dry cough, there was no confirmed exposure to either a covid positive case OR a recent returnee from overseas, he hadn't been overseas himself either - so they wouldn't test him.

My friends' parents were on the Ruby Princess - which was badly mishandled - all passengers let off without any restriction BUT the day after they'd got home, they were informed by text that 3 positive cases had been on the boat. My friend and her kids live with her parents. My friend also works in an aged care facility, with vulnerably patients. She had to call in to tell them, they told her to stay off work for 14 days and get tested. My friend was the one pushing for her parents to get tested, NOT the NSW govt/health dept, DESPITE the known contact etc. - and when they were tested, one of them came up positive. Totally asymptomatic as well. So they all had to isolate for 14 days, then get retested, then wait ANOTHER 14 days after the negative test, just to be on the safe side.

That's a known recoverer (my friend's parent). But they just didn't have enough tests to test everyone, even though we were testing FAR more people than the UK, so our stats aren't much more accurate as there will be many people who may have had it but won't know!

Unless they test Every Single Person with the antibody test, they're not going to know the actual stats.

[MRex]

It's not really clear what "recovered" means with this virus. The tests can only tell if the virus is in the top part of the body, you can recover from that aspect and still have it in your lungs or be having significant treatment. That's why doctors also use x-rays for diagnosis in some cases. This article from someone you'd definitely call recovered may help:
www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/finally-virus-got-me-scientist-who-fought-ebola-and-hiv-reflects-facing-death-covid-19.

[Jenasaurus]

I beleive the number recovered is 1, just Boris

[Biscuit0110]

I believe the reason for this is two fold, firstly it is inaccurate to call someone 'recovered' when they are still testing positive, many people still test positive even with slight traces of coronavirus in their systems for many months. The easiest example of this is the footballer who has had numerous tests, and still testing positive despite being completely well.

Secondly recovered patients total is by default completely inaccurate, everyone that has truly recovered, probably didn't even know they had coronavirus/or had mild illness and no need for either testing or medical help.

Recovered totals are pointless therefore.

[Biscuit0110]

talksport.com/football/703096/juventus-paulo-dybala-recovered-coronavirus/

[IncrediblySadToo]

Because it's pretty meaningless (in terms of reporting) because there's not a standard definition. Plus if they did, they'd include the number of people leaving hospital, but wouldn't record those that went on to die at home a few days later. Part of the problem is the lack of testing & the inaccuracy of testing.

IF we stayed in lockdown longer we'd have got the R number down and once 'newly infected' numbers were much lower TTI & reporting could have been more accurate, but we didn't lock down hard enough/properly & its all being 'eased' too soon

Our number of infected and number of deaths is crap as well because they're not including those at home who can't get tested and those who die.

We won't have any real idea for a long time, not until excess deaths can be looked at properly - like over a year.

[TW2013]

As for many weeks they only tested those admitted to hospital and the stats for those admitted to hospital do not look good it would not be the morale boosting figures you are looking for. You would need lots of antibody testing to recreate those figures and with no guarantee that a positive antibody test shows you won't catch it again there seems little point in throwing stretched resources at it. Look on news media for anecdotes from survivors.

[Needmoresleep]

People just don’t know enough about the virus, and still have no idea whether ‘recovered’ patients have any immunity. While some people still seem to shed the virus, when they are better so will have positive tests after negative ones.

[LemonPudding]

Nobody is cured because there is no curative treatment.

Many have recovered, though.

[Sgtmajormummy]

I get “Recovered” data for the U.K. here.
Who’s making those numbers up?

[Lynda07]

Why does it matter so much? I don't believe figures are always accurate anyway. Don't be so cross (using the F word unnecessarily), there 9s plenty to be cross about but not this.