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Italy v England. Why the different levels of sympathy?

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Whatsthis1515 · 08/05/2020 23:20

I am noticing that people feel sorry for Italy regarding their death toll but for the UK, people are scathing and pointing fingers. Why is this? I know Italy was supposed to be a lesson to us, but surely in that case, they didn't do the right thing either?

Interested to know what you all think.

Thanks

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LastTrainEast · 08/05/2020 23:53

People in other countries are always seen as selfless, brave etc while people here (except for the person posting of course) are racist, selfish, stupid etc.

it's a kind of racism i suppose, but it's a bit more than that. Someone should write a paper on it.

DippyAvocado · 08/05/2020 23:54

Apart from enabling the increase in services so we never had to pick and choose who to save, you mean?

This is almost the exact opposite of what has happened! Hospital admissions were triaged to such an extent by 111 and paramedics that you had to be virtually at death's door before you were treated. Who knows how many lives could have been saved by earlier oxygen treatment, as happens in Germany? Also the virtually criminal practice of discharging elderly patients from hospital into care homes without testing if they were Covid-positive, so as to free up beds.

The government clearly didn't want the media to be full of pictures of patients lying on trolleys in the corridors, so they avoided that by just not letting people into hospital instead.

LastTrainEast · 08/05/2020 23:54

"We saw them doing the wrong thing and copied them." if only we have thought to just cancel the virus! That would have done it. We could have put a sign up like for the milkman "NO VIRUS TODAY thank you"

notangelinajolie · 08/05/2020 23:55

It's called propaganda lead by a left wing/liberal media.

tillytown · 08/05/2020 23:59

it looked like SARS all over again - Covid is SARS

ndj18 · 09/05/2020 00:00

People are out have picnics and doing “yoga” or sunbathing in parks ..... that’s what’s really happening. We cannot criticise govt if people don’t follow the rules. People think they know better “dunning-Kruger effect”. I struggle to understand what is wrong with the U.K. ... I know many who are just saying “we are burning the economy and it’s people for the sake of a few old people”. The lack of social conscience is abominable.

B1rdbra1n · 09/05/2020 00:03

I agree the implication seems to be that they were ambushed and didn't stand a chance where as we had time to prepare and didn't take it 😳

DippyAvocado · 09/05/2020 00:04

it looked like SARS all over again - Covid is SARS

Think PP was referring to the 2003 SARS outbreak in Asia.
Although Covid-19 is in the same family, it is not the same virus that was responsible for that epidemic. I agree that the goverment assumed that this virus would be confined to Asia like that outbreak so they didn't feel the need to prepare for it

m0therofdragons · 09/05/2020 00:05

@confusedandtired99 who do you think told us nhs staff what to do? It was all Government ordered. That is what the government was doing!

noriim · 09/05/2020 00:06

I think the (most of the) media and the Tories cover each other backs in the cover up.

The gov decided to let people die in their own homes and not accept patients from care home at all so they had to die privately too rather than allow us to use the hospitals and get oxygen (like BJ had).

Italians took their sick relatives and friends to hospital, to try and save them, so their crisis was more public.

I'm really shocked that people in the UK aren't upset about how many people have died. I guess it only matters if you personally knew them?

I imagine there will be much-handwringing when the stats about the increased death toll (including non-COVID preventable deaths - people not going to hospital when they have a stroke/heart-attack/sick child because we've been told we are not allowed to use the NHS at the moment.) I imagine the UKs will be amongst the highest in the world, despite our comparative wealth.

Thinkingabout1t · 09/05/2020 00:06

Italy was taken completely by surprise, no time to prepare. We watched the awful scenes from there and did virtually nothing to prepare ourselves for the same

Exactly. I couldn't believe it. Then they started talking today about maybe imposing quarantine on people arriving in the UK, from the end of this month! Great, only three months too late.

Peppafrig · 09/05/2020 00:08

You say England in the title but U.K. in the post which are we talking about?

Headbangersandmash · 09/05/2020 00:08

Westminster knew it was coming and only acted when people started leading eg the FA cancelled football before the government stepped in.

I sincerely hope that Boris isn't going to reopen the country too fast. Like Trump he seems to be a leader who is very concerned with his popularity and not able to make the hard decisions.

Dontknowhowtohelp1 · 09/05/2020 00:08

This is almost the exact opposite of what has happened! Hospital admissions were triaged to such an extent by 111 and paramedics that you had to be virtually at death's door before you were treated. Who knows how many lives could have been saved by earlier oxygen treatment, as happens in Germany? Also the virtually criminal practice of discharging elderly patients from hospital into care homes without testing if they were Covid-positive, so as to free up beds.

The government clearly didn't want the media to be full of pictures of patients lying on trolleys in the corridors, so they avoided that by just not letting people into hospital instead.

^ this

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Whatsthis1515 · 09/05/2020 00:08

@LastTrainEast
Agreed. Do you think other countries have such distain for their own country, or is this unique to us?

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TomTomRunner · 09/05/2020 00:09

Boris being all huggy and pretending its ok with is silly hair Ahhh Boris, he got sick, new baby. Ah. AGHHHHHHH.

30,000 families and rising grieving and it was prevenatble.

Nobody getting angry.

50% approval for Boris. I want to weep.

Dontknowhowtohelp1 · 09/05/2020 00:10

Also everything @noriim said.

Headbangersandmash · 09/05/2020 00:10

I am surprised that they haven't done a u-turn on when to get medical treatment- when you struggle to breathe (Germany) vs blue lips (England)

m0therofdragons · 09/05/2020 00:11

I only know about my own county but we haven’t got lots of unexplained home deaths, it’s just not the case 111 caused lots of deaths. Really don’t think the media is on the government’s side Blush

VenusTiger · 09/05/2020 00:15

So would some of you have preferred for the govt to say "FU scientists, FU medical advisors, we're going to do what we think is best" I don't understand the blame myself, I don't see anyone blaming the science, they're all just blaming Boris and Hancock, when we know for sure that they've always followed the science- they were told to allow it to spread at first, so do those of you blaming the govt just hate the tories regardless, genuine question here because I think the answer IS relevant (can't do right for wrong culture) and also, what do you think of Sweden's handling of the virus, if you were Swedish? Interested to know whether this is really about politics beating sticks or actual fact based decisions that determine whether the reaction has been a failure.

Prontoe · 09/05/2020 00:15

We saw them doing the wrong thing and copied them. Like fucking halfwits.
I had to lol at this.
Apart from that, I don't think that the British are well liked on the world stage.

confusedandtired99 · 09/05/2020 00:19

@m0therofdragons I’m not sure why you are having a go at me. All I said was that we were a laughing stock in Europe before this crisis; and that we are probably even more now.

I was talking about the Tories herd immunity gamble and subsequent messing around.

I didn’t say anything about the NHS.

VenusTiger · 09/05/2020 00:20

I think the (most of the) media and the Tories cover each other backs in the cover up.

Hmm seriously, what media are you referring to?

Isoneedtorun · 09/05/2020 00:21

Anyone up to date on how Sweden is coping as of now?

Peppafrig · 09/05/2020 00:22

@Prontoe I beg to differ about Brits not been liked on a world stage . When ever I travel and say I'm from Scotland I'm always greeted well. Oh we love Scotland etc etc.

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