So many people saying they'd see family next week if boris says people can work.

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About 5 people I know have said either way their seeing their parents with the children. Because if boris says it's OK to go to work and commute and potentially bring virus home. Then it's surely makes no difference to taking the dcs to see their parents if they're wfh?

I sort of see the logic and I think many will.
My Pil have been begging to come see the kids and we've had to say no.
We normally see them twice a week same as my parents. But they find it harder for some reason.

I think people will now do their own thing in their own homes.

Today we did the social distancing ve day celebrations in front garden and the ones opposite did too. That was it. A little wave.

Out ndn both sides have family round in their houses.. I can hear it and they brightly said hi when going in.

Do u think people will just do it
Will you be one of those?

I'd see people less if I were going back into work, but honestly I don't see I will be going into the office until at least September and probably not this year, to be honest.

The whole seeing family thing is odd in this rather botched UK 'lockdown' - plenty of people (us among them) are visiting local family and social distancing, which I suppose officially we are not supposed to do, but you'd be a pretty miserable bastard to actually report someone for talking to a family member, especially an older one, in the same way they might a neighbour they ran into on a walk while keeping a safe distanced.

saleorbouy Sat 09-May-20 09:19:14
The reality is that if we spread ourselves out too wide then the outbreak could easily start again, see how Germany has faired. Going back to work will be done with appropriate social distancing and cleansing measures taking place, reducing communal operations and areas of work etc. Visiting your family and socialising with them will not likely include these measures ( it would be pointless meeting them if it did)

See I disagree. I take precautions when I see family, it’s easy, I disinfect the few touch points etc. I cannot imagine my workplace being as easy to control.

Going to work is one thing, but once the school are opened and my kids have to go, there is no such thing as social distancing anymore.

You can't tell me there's a low risk for putting hundred of kids together, in classes of 30 (or even 15) but tell me it's unsafe to be in a restaurant... where I would mix with the parents of the kids who are with mine during the day basically.

The children are super spreaders, and not immune, a baby died only yesterday. If it's decided it's safe enough for them - and the rest of us, then it's safe enough to do anything else.

He's not "Boris" the loveable scamp who gets girls pregnant and quotes Latin. He's the PM who is either too poorly or too incompetent to handle this situation.

All the people saying 'if people start making their own rules....' etc etc. It's not 'if'. It's happening already. People are already doing this. If your street wasn't full of people having their friends and families round to celebrate VE day yesterday, there were plenty of others that were. And those are just the brazen people who no longer care who notices.

I think the same regarding schools. I am a pregnant teacher. If they tell me I have to see hundreds of kids every day then we are seeing who we want family and friends wise.

My parents in law have had (test confirmed) Covid and are fully recovered but don't live locally. So absolutely as soon as we are allowed to travel we will be seeing them. We can't now only on a technicality. It isn't risking anyone except the incredibly tiny chance of a car accident. We will literally get straight in the car when they say it's allowed.

If they tell me I have to see hundreds of kids every day then we are seeing who we want family and friends wise.

I work in a school and this is the general consensus from the other staff.

I’m not resentful of you directly (and I hope this doesn’t come across as rude, just trying to show my reasoning!) but I do feel the unfairness of it all. You can only live like that and start to see your family because other people are working to facilitate it. I don’t know how long the other people will tolerate it for and then the lockdown is all but over.

This is true for a lot of people I think, and completely understandable.

Many privileged people don't realize or acknowledge how privileged they are. And if you can live like this (having others shop for you and have everything delivered, have a lovely garden and outside areas you can be in safely and happily, and especially if you don't have to worry about money either, you are soooo privileged and lucky. And of course your risk of catching/sharing the virus is low when you visit other similarly positioned loved ones.

But for most people? All they see is you visiting family and then wondering why shouldn't they then....

If people are allowed to mill around in their dozens with neighbours on VE Day, and you're allowed to go to the supermarket and stand 2m away from strangers, then what's the difference in seeing family socially distanced?

Hypothetically (because I haven't seen my parents since before lockdown)... I get into my car and have no contact with anybody else. I drive the 10 mins to my parents house, without contacting anybody else. I park up and go into their garden and stay more than 2m away from them...... why is that not allowed when street parties are? Don't tell me all those street parties on the BBC yesterday were 100% socially distanced, absolute bollocks.

Garden centres can reopen? People are allowed to buy whatever they like from B&Q for DIY projects? I've still been able to order takeaways since the start of lockdown and eat food made by someone else?

It's just daft. Be responsible, wash your hands, don't touch your face, keep socially distant, see your parents.

Something is not safe just because something similar is safe! Situations are never inherently safe or unsafe. It is about lots of different things - total numbers, in light of exponential growth, viral load, the ability of hospitals in your area, your total number and type of contacts and their equivalent, the state of your own general health and your family’s, your BMI .... etc etc etc... three word slogans or short ten minute announcements, or headlines, are useless. You need to analyse your own individual situation and risk assess.

I'm beginning to find it a bit sinister the way they're so keen to keep us separate from each other socially, but not for the economy. I don't think it's some kind of conspiracy, just utter thoughtlessness to the point of cruelty. It's not natural for humans to be separated like this. So many social problems come from the way our society is so individualistic, and this is like an extreme version of that yet we're expected to keep up the morale to do it "for the greater good" even as we're having social connections cut.

It's also horribly unfair that plans to ease lockdown will probably be blanket rules, meeting 2m in the park or whatever, rather than instead keeping the risk low by targetting the groups most in need of human contact (I'd give anything for a hug). A rule that people who live alone could join another household would be a fairer start (although I'd include lone parents and certain carers in that too). I know that theoretically where there is a great need for mental health resons it would come under the "care and support" exception, but as someone actually in that group I know it relies on being able to reach out openly and have the other person willing to "break" the lockdown to see you. That could well be too late.

I think the best time to see family is now while most people have been wfh/furlonged. If you've been at home for several weeks with no symptoms, surely the best time is now before you start working again? Makes more sense than starting work again then seeing them.

I've seen my family a few times but at a distance. They come here or I go to them and stand at the end of the drive or at opposite ends of our large garden. Following advice re social distancing. Won't do anything different after tomorrow. I've been at work for the past 3 weeks.

If they force us to reopen to schools to all and I have to mix with full classes of children, and by extension their families, then MY family is less safe. MY elderly relatives would be less safe if I thought 'fuck it' I might as well visit them. MY DH would be less safe because of my exposure to all the potential spreaders.

It’ll be interesting to see if we are still in lockdown in a year. Allowed to go to work and mix with colleagues and customers. No family or friends. No cinemas, theatre, art galleries, holidays, formal education, eating out, high street shopping, days out etc.

Just going to work, paying a higher tax rate and going home to watch endless repeats on the television

I wonder how long people would put up with that for.

I agree that now is the safest time to see family, especially if it's outside and at a safe social distance. Soon, more and more people will need to go back to work, be crammed onto trains and buses, and then it becomes less safe.

My mum is 55 so not in the at risk category if I everything else was allowed id go and see her. My nan on the other hand is completely different

I think the best time to see family is now while most people have been wfh/furlonged. If you've been at home for several weeks with no symptoms, surely the best time is now before you start working again?

that was exactly the reasoning from all the people breaking distancing guidelines this weekend.

Some just conveniently forgot that they hadn't been 100% isolated...

It’ll be interesting to see if we are still in lockdown in a year. Allowed to go to work and mix with colleagues and customers. No family or friends. No cinemas, theatre, art galleries, holidays, formal education, eating out, high street shopping, days out etc.

of course that won't happen. no one is stupid enough to put up with that.

Aren’t they?

Other countries put up with a lot more than we do. The government could in theory not ever relax lockdown. Not that they would carry on forever.

Unlike other countries, there isn’t the military and police manpower to enforce it.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

@whiskybysidedoor

Absolutely, I totally agree with you. We are lucky as we are both working from home, my 1 year old isn't going to nursery anymore, my parents are retired and have managed online deliveries. We have a veg box, milk man and the occasional online delivery. I know we are in that very privileged position. And grateful.

I know at some point we will have to go back to the office and my daughter will have to go to nursery again, and I'm not sure I will want to risk them then - depends on how the situation is going - so they want to see their granddaughter while they can.