So many people saying they'd see family next week if boris says people can work.

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About 5 people I know have said either way their seeing their parents with the children. Because if boris says it's OK to go to work and commute and potentially bring virus home. Then it's surely makes no difference to taking the dcs to see their parents if they're wfh?

I sort of see the logic and I think many will.
My Pil have been begging to come see the kids and we've had to say no.
We normally see them twice a week same as my parents. But they find it harder for some reason.

I think people will now do their own thing in their own homes.

Today we did the social distancing ve day celebrations in front garden and the ones opposite did too. That was it. A little wave.

Out ndn both sides have family round in their houses.. I can hear it and they brightly said hi when going in.

Do u think people will just do it
Will you be one of those?

I would desperately love to see my parents. They are really missing my two young children. We haven't left the house apart from the odd walk and my parents are also staying home.

Realistically the only thing that prevents me is distance as the risk is very low.

I've already said to my parents that if they remain at home i will be prioritising seeing them over the boys going back to preschool. As soon as the boys go back the risk will rise

The problem is there's a finite amount of time people will put up with this for. If tomorrow boris doesn't give a clear timetable for when we're allowed to see family and friends again then people will just think f**k it we'll meet up and manage the risk. Evidence suggests this is already happening anyway.

No we don't 'need' to see friends and family to physically survive, but we do need to for our mental wellbeing. I work in mental health and it is having a devastating impact on some people. Basically we can't carry on living like this for much longer. We are a social species and the urge to see friends and family will eventually override any possible sanction

I think it would be sensible for the government to tell people they can expand their ‘bubble’ to 1-2 more households otherwise there’s a risk people will take matters into their own hands.

I've been working all the way through. I have to admit it has bugged me that I'm expected to mix with people and carry on as normal at work, but I can't see my family. Ironically, they are all working as well, and mixing with people at work.

I have kept to the rules though, and will continue to do so. What is stopping me seeing them is not concern for us, as we are all youngish, with no known underlying conditions. However knowing we are all mixing with other people at work that gives a lot of people any one of us could transmit to if we got it from each other.

I have to admit I am really hoping that some outdoor socialising will be allowed sometime soon, and I will be making the most of it within the rules if it is.

Well if my work ended furlough and called me back I'd have to see my parents as mum would look after my kids. Surely hundreds of people would be in that situation?

Isn’t the psychology more “the Government have said it’s safe to be at work now. So if I’m safe at work, it’s surely safe to see my elderly parents.”

No.

Because unless you are working at home, your risk of infected your elderly parents will increase.

He needs to allow family to mix with what they keep calling a "bubble" of people, it's not fair to keep families apart like this and people won't do it much longer. In fact loads of people around here and doing it now anyway!!

We have decided if he locks down again, we will be seeing family towards the end of May as we have a special day coming up and I am not missing sharing it with family by what could end up being a few days before he "allows families to meet again"

Seems like lots living near us have already decided lockdown has finished/ doesn't apply to them. Lots of family gatherings yesterday/ last night.

I've been working throughout all be it in a very different manner.
I don't want members of the public allowed back into where I work, I really dont. I don't trust them. If the public are allowed back in then I will start seeing my own family.
We have been prepared with hygiene instructions for if the public are allowed back in and quite frankly we don't have the time for all this crap.
I will be keeping myself safe. Taking a stern tone with them such as questioning their health, not touching anything they do, using hand gel relentlessly, keeping my distance, etc etc. But I'm not disinfecting anything I don't touch. We simply do not have the time to do that. So external doors etc might be infected. It's ridiculous really. Work are taking guidance from the government but most people are not clean enough.

I think it depends how much one's life is structured around interdependence with friends and extended family. I am really starting to miss all of mine and would love the opportunity to meet up whilst maintaining social distancing.

And I disagree about work vs home life. I think if one has to run the risk of being exposed to Coronavirus by going back to work (particularly thinking travelling on crowded tube trains), one should at least have the option to see a 'bubble' of people socially.

And again it would seem that many of us are obeying the rules but others aren't. It's beginning to not sit easy with me.

Mind you, the most helpful thing would be to get the antibody test rolled out (that seems to have been rather forgotten about in recent reporting)? To see what % of us have already had it. I know that doesn't necessarily determine long-term immunity (if at all) but it might make

The problem is there's a finite amount of time people will put up with this for. If tomorrow boris doesn't give a clear timetable for when we're allowed to see family and friends again then people will just think fk it we'll meet up and manage the risk

Exactly. Many people aren't going to be happy with another 3 weeks of lets wait and see.

Also many people keep posting about elderly parents, for lots of us our parents aren't elderly.

I think people could keep their mixing low but still see their family. I decided on a bubble from the beginning. My Dad died fairly recently and it's hit Mum very very hard. So I made my house secure and use my car and go to her house every day (very local). I'm very careful with my hands at the exit and entry points.

My neighbours have had their grandchildren in the garden every single day, but they're in their 40s. People can manage their own lives now I think.

No I think people will have more common sense than to do that. I’ve been working all the way through, as have loads of people. Lots of furloughed people have been working second jobs and volunteering in some way anyway. We’ve all been doing our bit, well I hope we have!
I do see my parents as I luckily live in same village and drop their top-up shopping off once a week but I stand at end of front garden, have a ten minute chat and go. That won’t suddenly change because Boris says it’s ok!

I find it bizarre. If things open up then the risk to older grandparents is more, not less. I’d stop seeing them if I had been.

That 's the trouble though. A large amount of people cannot be trusted to manage this.
I don't want members of the public allowed back into my place of work. It only takes one of them to infect me. Lots of people are unhygeinic. I have always been rigorous with washing my hands, keeping my own equipment, being clean, keeping my distance from others, but not everyone else is.

We intend to see my dps this week. Most likely scenario is meeting in a large local park and doing a socially distanced walk as many others are doing. I’m not happy with us going into each other’s houses but if I’m honest that’s more because it will likely annoy the neighbours. None of us have seen anyone properly for weeks. I think the risk right now is far lower than it has been for quite a while- once kids go back to school it will be much harder. We both accept there is a theoretical risk but right now the mental health of my dps is more important

Frazzled - exactly! The risk is probably at its lowest now... it’s frustrating not to have this recognised.

It’s quite upsetting to think that there are people who actually trust this govt to keep them “safe”.

Spain's guidance with set times for exercise for age groups and a timeframe for exit looks like a much clearer roadmap.

Yes, my Dad said exactly this yesterday Fascinated. They have felt fairly safe and in control until now. They could avoid high risk places and people but if "everyone" is out and about more, everywhere and everyone becomes higher risk.

If we are able to view random people in a park why not see loved ones in a park or other open space.

We have followed the lockdown rules stringently and consider the likelihood of us currently having the virus extremely low. We're lucky that we have a decent-sized garden equipped with lots of things for the DC, so they have barely been out even for the allowed exercise. We are managing to go to the supermarket once every 10 days.
I'm hoping there will be a period before the DC go back to school where we can visit my parents (early 70s but very healthy) at a distance, in their enormous garden, because once the DC are back at school, we may not get another time where we feel we are 'safe' and uninflected for a long time. Once they are back at school, there will always be a higher risk which we may not want to take even when the government says we can.

The reality is that if we spread ourselves out too wide then the outbreak could easily start again, see how Germany has faired. Going back to work will be done with appropriate social distancing and cleansing measures taking place, reducing communal operations and areas of work etc. Visiting your family and socialising with them will not likely include these measures ( it would be pointless meeting them if it did) so this could exacerbate a second wave of COVID.
There are still a number of asymptomatic people carrying the virus but showing no symptoms so until testing is more widespread there is still a real risk of infection.

It's about reducing the number of contacts and the length of time you're in contact Thigh.

So, random in the park, you're going to meet them whether you're on your own or in a group. If you go in a group, it's the group that are the additional contacts. Also, the chances of catching anything from someone you pass fleetingly on a footpath must be much slimmer than people you spend the entire afternoon with, even if you do try to maintain distance.

Again, it's not about protecting you as an individual it's about reducing the overall infection rate.