For those who want schools to go back..

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.. tell us how you think it should work. Primary or secondary.

In your ideal world.

How would social distancing be adhered to?
How about drop off and pick up?
How would classrooms operate?
How about lunchtimes and breaktimes?
What about after school childcare provision?
What about staff who are sheidling?
What about children who are sheilding?
What about staff who have family members who are sheilding?
Should only some children go back? Who should they be and why?

So many education and school experts on here, it will be interesting to read your safe solutions.

Did Sweden close high schools? Last I read it was only sixth form colleges and universities. I'm interested in how they have managed primary and secondary. Were more teachers infected? Are class sizes v small? What do they do? Do only key worker children actually go, even though they are still open? Are schools tiny there? Oudoors learning only?

Sonineties emerging evidence is not suggesting this.

I think you are talking shite. I teach teenagers, they are like adults with little personal hygiene, kissing, snogging, spitting, screaming, biting, licking and no social distancing.

You go and teach my Y10’s who are practically sat on each other’s knees in a practical lesson with a ton of shared specialist equipment😡 Fuck you

I think Sweden has had lots of parents voluntarily pulling children out meaning much smaller class sizes anyway

My problem is how will I get my kids to school as I have been told to stay in till at least 27 July(nhs) and have to shield so if schools reopen I would have to break this and put myself at risk

My problem is how will I get my kids to school as I have been told to stay in till at least 27 July(nhs) and have to shield so if schools reopen I would have to break this and put myself at risk

Even if someone else were to take and collect your children from school every day, them being at school will surely negate any shielding you do?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/sweden-queries-basis-of-lockdowns-as-germany-keeps-its-guard-up

Describes junior schools as open and 'senior high schools' as closed - I don't know where the age boundaries lie there?

Ooh I've just done a quick Google and apparently Swedish class sizes are 19 students on average. So much less than UK class sizes anyway.

Everyone saying kids are low risk safe. Kids who caught SARS show long term lung damage. It’s an unknown yet what the long term effects on children are even if initially affected mildly.

I don’t think it’s unknown the Gov obviously would totally the number of children attending the school hubs now and monitor... if there was an outbreak we would of known about it.

In the schools / hubs that had some possible cases / self isolated, how was it dealt with? Did you send all children and staff home to self isolate? Or get everyone tested? (If it was recent).

Interested to know as presumably that will set the tone for how it will be dealt with when schools open fully.

I hope someone somewhere is looking at the Swedish experience, it would be interesting for schooling. I did wonder if class sizes are smaller. That could mean for instance that a return to mornings or afternoons only might be feasible. I'm sure we could learn from their tips on social distancing in primary. Obviously less to learn if the reality is that noone sends their kids anyway

I genuinely would love for the UK to be doing this kind of comparative study whilst equally thinking it quite likely, on performance so far, that noone in the uk has bothered. Which is embarrassing,but par for the course.

We need to aim for return in September, no point in any earlier, too risky. And for me I will see how things are in August and then decide if I will send them or not.

Headachehair - no idea sorry, above my pay grade! I only know about the isolating via gossip....

The problem is that although it seems as if children do get and transmit Covid19 they can have very few symptoms, so the teacher who gets it may have got it from a key worker's child or from someone at the supermarket. Because the children are those of key workers in the main, anyone who gets it on their home may also have got it directly from the key worker as adults don't always have symptoms either.

September is likely the second wave.

@WhyNotMe40 ha ha, no worries! I might start a new thread actually as I'm interested to see how it's being dealt with and what impact is being seen.

In the schools / hubs that had some possible cases / self isolated, how was it dealt with? Did you send all children and staff home to self isolate? Or get everyone tested? (If it was recent).

That’s one of the conditions that the trade Unions want put in place-a set plan of what schools need to do if symptoms are found.

The case of possible transmission in our school was dealt with the same way these things often are, it's too late to do anything now if any of you go on to show symptoms then go off. No extra cleaning, not even all staff told. All in all same old responses.

My problem is how will I get my kids to school as I have been told to stay in till at least 27 July(nhs) and have to shield so if schools reopen I would have to break this and put myself at risk
If you have to shield anyway then you can keep them at home with you and review in August as to whether it's ok for September, I think all families will have to decide whats best for them but theres no point in opening pre September.

@redtickreturn I work in a hub primary and we have had no reported cases so far. We probably have 20 or so key workers kids in a day and 4-5 adults. They’re reception - yr 4 and we do plenty of hand washing and the adults keep a bit of distance from each other but the kids can’t socially distance and we have found it pretty impossible to enforce. We are in the West Midlands.

Would parents even report it to school if the child had symptoms though?

So 2 school outbreaks in just 1 week. With obly 2% of kids in.

I just dont see how people can look at other countries and pronounce 'schools are open'
Maybe some are but it is not as usual.
Why do uk people not deserve ppe etc.
Tbh we are just to liberal and it will kill more than need to.

I honestly cant believe how little a crap people give for the teachers. (Non essential in these circs) and are saying vulnerable ones should 's### or get off the pot')
Imo there is less risk to the grandparents in a lot of this situation than to the teachers as
1 parents might be more careful about infecting them
2 some even over 70 are less or similar risk to a diabetic or asthmatic teacher.
3 that gp would be seeing 2 kids not linkig to 1000s of other families...

Reading cantkeeps link it really shows how at risk offices and schools are. Lack of air flow.
The formites really isnt the issue. Because kids arent supposed to get that ill etc i cant see teachers focussing on kids not giving it to each other - but that then means parents at more risk.

Imo lets let kids play at the park and not risk the teachers. Those who then get it now to sept miggt be immune

But i would say Cheltenham seemed to infect loads despite being outside.

The gov f up i dont see why everyone else should suck it up.

In care homes were staff all wearing masks from end feb? If not it's come in with the staff.

I think drs should have stood up to the gov more. They need to stand up now and say if gov stir up the r0 then you will do xyz. The gov need to control it better and wait till they have the ppe.

There's a thread on here with children having "mild" Coronavirus and still being ill and breathless over 6 weeks in. Same as me. I contracted it last week before lockdown and am still suffering with terrible breathlessness. I am under 44 and was a fitness freak beforehand. It needs to be taken seriously.

@BriefDisaster HCP with shielding relatives are working from home where possible, where it's not they will be on unpaid leave until it's safe.

I actually feel really sorry for teachers and it's almost always down to shitty comments like yours.

Teachers ARE special because they are human beings with feelings and families.

HCP signed up for this, teachers did not and they have no PPE.

You need to check yourself.

I agree.
Not sure if it was cv. But
Dd 2 had a cough for 5w then went straight into another 3w one. 4yo
Dd1 has a nasty cough still 3w later. Green tinged snot and slightly red 1 eye. 7yo. Phlehm which she didnt know what it was
Both either probably asthmatic or at risk (not diagnosed).
Dp still clearing throat 4-5w later. He never usually gets anything.
I had tight chest and SOB. Could'nt read stories properly as couldnt breath enough.
But yes concern over long term lung damage to all of us. If they could at least look at children and check they dont generally have long term issues.

Dp h