Matt Hancock not only a donkey but sexist and deeply unpleasant

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So following on from the thread last week about his ''donkiness/ineptitude' he gives us this appalling response to Dr Rosena Allin-Kahn today:

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What a disgusting way to speak to someone who is actually working as a Dr in A & E during this crisis. Nasty, lacking in empathy, just wrong.Just when you think these people can't sink any lower they do just that.

Weasel words when he speaks them but all lovely and nice from the Speaker and anyone else?

Not that not actually matters what he did say.... as you posted earlier. You seem a tad fixated.

On my - Of course it's different when the speaker/others say it. I'm not objecting to thanking the NHS but the extortion to show 'team spirit' in the context of having to answer a difficult question doesn't apply to neutral people like the speaker does it? It's shitty, and I've no idea how anyone other than obsessive Tories could be defending him. You're nit-picking away for goodness knows what reason, and meanwhile the death toll here soars above other countries' and the testing rate has fallen for the fourth day since the target was apparently met. Uurghh.

And you're not a little fixated with your TARDIS. Not being able to mention past mistakes that have not yet been acknowledged is a get out of jail free card for the government, as is putting the onus on the opposition to press for policy details etc - which KS is doing anyway.

I'll leave you to it, let you have your victory. You are quite right.

I is a bad toad!

Bye!

And yes, I do know what response that will get. But I have run out of emotional energy to feed you with.

'Kay bye.

We disagreed and you participated as much as I did. There's no need to make out like I'm some kind of overly emotional obsessive - now who does that remind me of?

Who is the enemy though?

The illness, which could be fought much more effectively with adequate testing in place from an early stage?

Matt Hancock finished with

I pay tribute, too, to the work of NHS and social care staff on the frontline; nothing should take away from the team spirit with which we approach this.

And? Perhaps team spirit might involve them being provided with adequate PPE?

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I am so sorry for the losses experienced at your care home but my SIL works in care and I must tell you that the elderly gentleman discharged prior to receiving his test results should have been treated as an infected resident and put into isolation. Had that been done, he wouldn't have passed the virus to other vulnerable residents.

@JudyCoolibar I'm beyond bored with all their long winded guff about tributes. They should get on with the facts, and be honest and clear about them.

I am so sorry for the losses experienced at your care home but my SIL works in care and I must tell you that the elderly gentleman discharged prior to receiving his test results should have been treated as an infected resident and put into isolation. Had that been done, he wouldn't have passed the virus to other vulnerable residents. Yes because it is so easy to keep a dementia sufferer in isolation in a building that wasn't designed for a pandemic. Of course they could lock him in his room but do ask your SIL what the CQC response would be to that.

@Clavinova *I could ask an expert -Dr Allin-Khan on care homes;^

"I know from my family’s personal experience that just because care homes have a CQC rating of good does not mean that there are not dangerous and serious issues lurking beneath the surface that impact patient safety and care."

I doubt that Dr Khan has been to the home, it is not in the part of the country where she lives so she isn't an expert on it. I worked in Care Home management for 20 years so I am well aware of the shortcomings of CQC reports but fortunately I am well able to judge for myself.

Wow. She hit a nerve there.

" Yes because it is so easy to keep a dementia sufferer in isolation in a building that wasn't designed for a pandemic. Of course they could lock him in his room but do ask your SIL what the CQC response would be to that."

I didn't mean to upset you. I am sure that the staff are wonderful, caring and well-meaning. But they did not follow protocol here, from what you have said, and it led to the infection and death of other residents consequently.

Care homes are well used to handling infectious disease amongst their populations, and should know how to handle residents who 'walk with purpose' due to cognitive impairment.

In any case, new guidance was issued for dealing with covid and confinement to rooms was indeed one of the options to preserve life.

I don't want to derail the thread, just addressing the fact that your anger is at least partially misplaced.

I'm surprised that MN tolerate the personal abuse in the thread title.

What’s wrong with the ‘donkey’ epithet? Doesn’t it just mean a stupid person?

I thought the 'donkey' usage was similar to that of 'Led By Donkeys'. Perfectly fine in a free country. It's satire and part of the monitoring that holds the government to account.

Matt Hancock is an elected public figure. To some extent, he holds out lives in his hands. I'll be damned if I'll be deferential to him.

@rawlikesushi In any case, new guidance was issued for dealing with covid bit late though wasn't it.

What’s wrong with the ‘donkey’ epithet? Doesn’t it just mean a stupid person?

So personal abuse then, no?

Do we know yet if Johnson is doing PMQs today? He bloody better be.

Unbelievable! You do remember he was in intensive care only a few weeks back. He was addressing the country on the Sunday after his discharge from hospital. Give the man a break!

"bit late though wasn't it."

Well I don't know. You'd have to compare the date on the legislation with the date that they allowed a potentially infected resident to freely mingle with other residents.

And even then you'd have to ask why they didn't use (1) the same procedures for any other infectious disease, and (2) common sense.

I think you might be a bit blinkered on this. They knew that resident could be infected and that the results would take 48 hours.

Of course they used procedures for infectious diseases. It isn't normal to admit residents with active contagious infections. Covid 19 also has a very high transmission rate and care homes are not designed to cope with that but hey it is all OK, let Boris know lockdown can end, all we need is a bit of commonsense.

Strange how uncommon that is, particularly on here.

I will leave you with your nasty judgemental fantasies.

What’s wrong with the ‘donkey’ epithet? Doesn’t it just mean a stupid person?

So personal abuse then, no?

No - I suspect OP / others / a chunk of the population regards MH as a bit dim, possibly stupid - ie not personal abuse but a statement of opinion and / or fact

Interesting talk today on The Andrew Marr Show today about how Matt Hancock's being lined up to be the fall guy for government failings, and being briefed against by senior ministers. Maybe it's not his fault after all?

Yes AM show very interesting and making me feel sorry for Matt Hancock (I am not a Tory).

Matt Hancock being the fall guy has been openly discussed for weeks. He must be aware.