Sorry, I need to vent. Second home owners!

[Querlouse]

I live in a small village in a quiet farming area. One of the old cottages was bought by a family from London about 18 months ago, they spent a long time getting planning permission but have now started works.

They are coming down and meeting mates there every weekend. Yesterday I walked past (footpath runs alongside house) and there were two massive flashy Landrovers not really relevant cars outside and three blokes, at least two women and four kids all hanging out in the big garden. The house is currently uninhabitable so they aren't staying there permanently.

Dh says just forget about it but its really annoying me! Our village is generally really old and we've had no cases of cv so far.

It's not OK to drive 3 hours from London to a village then meet mates is it??

Plus the Government have clarified that the nhs is working with bags of capacity.

At the start of lockdown we didn't know what capacity we'd need. Whether we have more capacity now or not is moot - we're still in lockdown. Also, why risk a car accident and having to go to hospital where you might pick up coronavirus? Seems a bit stupid.

Not necessarily. Not everyone goes to beaches. Most of the time they are empty.

The beach is an example. You can swap it for the park, or beside a lake, or anywhere that people might want to spend time but can't as we're in lockdown. The beach itself is irrelevant.

Tabby, it's so easy to pick holes in everything you say. It's like debating with a six year old. I really give up. It's very hard when someone is so obtuse, sorry, but I can't be bothered replying to your inanities any more. Best I hide the thread before wasting any more time arguing with someone with the brain power of a brick wall. Bye!

I don't get why it's not clear that the OP is describing a situation where

multiple families are seeing each other

Travelling unnecessarily long distance

Several times

All not allowed under current rules designed to keep us safe.

As someone at very high risk I would prefer if people stuck to the rules.

Why are people happy that people are breaking them?

It's strange how we now have the second higher death rate of the planet that people are so complacent...but I guess we've had no leadership from government, apart from a PM who thought it was a good idea to shake hands and romp about until he got felled.

terri it's more than strange. It's very concerning. One of the main reasons for our extremely high death rate is that the government are failing to treat people. They're letting people die. Early treatment is key. It's what other countries are doing.

They're getting away with it because of the complacency. They won't start giving timely treatment if people accept this.

I completely agree @terrigrey and @ToffeeYoghurt.
What’s going on?

I have no idea why people don't seem to be angry about this?
I am very lucky (touch wood) in that I don't know of anyone of my friends and family who have died or been seriously ill.
I can't understand the people in the UK who were friends/family of the 32k people who have died aren't bothered?
All this bullshit about protecting the NHS, how about protecting us all? And valving all our lives?

I'm asking the same question. I just don't understand it. I don't think the government will do anything different if people don't question it. We can't go back and save all those lives already lost but we don't need to keep repeating the mistakes. We should start giving people earlier treatment. There's how we can get out of lockdown safely. More and better treatment.

So after weeks of people jumping down others throats for so much as exercising twice a day or sitting on a bench in the park we are now supposed to be applying "critical thinking" and risk assess rather than follow lockdown rules? In that case perhaps I can go and see my daughter and her family so I can hug my grandchildren. They have been following the rules and isolating as have we. What's the risk?

Don't understand why you're getting the hard time OP.

I want to get in my car, with my mates and go to Cornwall!!!!!( we'd only go for the day, take our food and not get petrol ) That would be fine wouldn't it? !!!!

Course fucking not !

But why the fuck not if those lot are jaunting around ? How come they get to have BBQs in the country when the rest of us are here staring at the walls? selfish fucks.

They haven't done any ' critical thinking' . Give over. They've just done exactly what THEY WANT. Fuck the rest of us. Not surprised their 70 year old neighbour is upset.

This is classic Mumsnet arse with posters trying to be too cool for rules.

You can warble about risk assessments and critical thinking but the lock down rules supposedly apply to everyone.

If we all "risk assessed" and then nipped off for the day to hang out and have BBQs ( not much risk - especially if, bingo! we take our own food ) then we'd be in even more of a shit storm than we already are, when at least the vast majority are having the plain decency to just follow the bloody lockdown instructions.

If they were driving the 3hrs to come into this area they'd be having their arses handed back to them by the police who are stopping people doing just that. Different opinions on the risk obviously.

@Bluntness100

People don’t think the guidelines have vanished, what people are doing now is applying critical thinking. They are able to assess risk and make a balanced decision.

What nonsense. There may be no or little risk in jumping in a car driving 100 miles down the road and mixing households while having a BBQ but this virus is highly contagious and we are still in lockdown so there clearly is a risk or the government and highly paid scientists would be saying that is ok. It is breaking the rules which presumably are there for a reason. You just want an excuse to go out and do what you want. Why bother with a lockdown in that case. No wonder we are poised to have the second highest death rate in the world even surpassing Italy and Spain and France. It is idiots like you paying it on unknowingly.

There is no treatment beyond intervening with ventilators or cpap if low oxygen a problem so there is no benefit in bringing people in early. So the reason for the high death rate apart from maybe the late lockdown must be people like you who think it is ok for you and the OPs neighbours to do what they want

"I wrote: "Most would have to get in a car to travel to a beach"

You wrote: Most people dont bother."

"You've missed the point - most people don't live near a deserted beach and would have to travel by car to get there. It's got nothing to do with whether they can be bothered or not"
Yes it does, it absolutely does. You seem to have this image that most days, hoardes of people drive to the beach and there isnt room to swing a cat. This is the UK. Hardly anyone goes to the beach. So if a group of people decide to go to the beach at the moment, there wobt be anyone there!!!

"Increased traffic on the road will increase accidents. Very likely to happen, not incredibly unlikely. Travel by car introduces risks - it's logical it would do."
Do you think like this every time you leave the house? I havent been in a car accident for about 30 years!! If I started to think that I'd better not leave the house in case I have an accident and I will need the paramedics, I would go mad!! Please dont think like this. It is very unlikely to happen. The odds are extremely low. This business about people not driving in case they need paramedics is a made up one on mn entirely. The reason they dont want us to drive is so as we dont infect people or catch it from people, when we get to where we are going.

"Tabby, it's so easy to pick holes in everything you say. It's like debating with a six year old. I really give up. It's very hard when someone is so obtuse, sorry, but I can't be bothered replying to your inanities any more. Best I hide the thread before wasting any more time arguing with someone with the brain power of a brick wall. Bye!"
Lizzie, it's easy to pick holes in what you say too. My starting point here is that I'm starting to wonder what is the problem with so and so going to a quiet place if they can assure they can social distance. Your starting point seems to be dont leave the house at all m. There may be reasons for that, I dont know. I live in a quiet area and over the last few weeks have seen people having picnics, lying in the fields, driving to walks (myself included) and its not bothered anyone. So I've started to question it all... after all, this is going to be the way forward in the next few weeks as we come out of this. You sound scared of everything, scared to leave the house, scared to go on a beach, scared to drive anywhere, please dont be. We have got away from normal, but we do need to go back this it.

@Bluntness100

People don’t think the guidelines have vanished, what people are doing now is applying critical thinking. They are able to assess risk and make a balanced decision.

it's BBQ weather guys

They are not just scared themselves though, they are curtain twitching on everyone else. It’s turning into East Germany.

"They are not just scared themselves though, they are curtain twitching on everyone else. It’s turning into East Germany."
I think we are coming out of the curtain twitching phase. Weve been through...
Wont happen to me phase, so I'm going to carry on doing what I like phase
Dont leave the house phase
Call everyone else a murderer if they leave the house phase
To...
Starting to question it phase

It’s turning into East Germany.

Yeah right. Those neighbours are being entitled twats. You can mutter about East Germany all you like.

All you home owners - second or otherwise - are in for a serious shock further down the road.

You should prepare yourself.

@Weetam68 why's that?

I'm mortgage free, I'd like to think my home is pretty secure?

Loss in house value one assumes.

It’s very interesting that spying on people and making assumptions is the new normal. Then top this off with threats about their possible planning permission application. Also dislike of their car. Some people love turning on others and threatening them in a covert way. As in former communist countries. I’m not mumbling by them way. I’m quite clear about this. This is what has happened to us as a nation. It’s deeply unpleasant and will be difficult to extract ourselves from this mindset.

It’s very interesting that spying on people and making assumptions is the new normal.

Not round here it isn't.

No "mindset" like that round here.

More deeply upsetting that you're prepared to Ok them jumping in their car, driving 3 hrs, mixing families whilst the rest of us ordinary mugs don't get to do that.